RE: Land Rover Defender walkaround | Frankfurt 2019

[unsprung]

The Vambo said:

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[slider2]

I have 2 defenders already, they’re great for all the reasons we all know. This one looks to be brilliant in all sorts of longer , more comfortable sort of journey ways. But, it’s got EIGHTY-THREE ECU’s apparently, and an 8 speed auto box.
Judging by normal modern LR failure rates, this will not be a pleasant ownership proposition. And I hate thinking that! Because I want it not to be that way. As with my L322...

[cheddar]

Looks great but as I'm a technophobe and deeply unfashionable luddite my money's going on this

[DickP]

I just had a play about with the configurator. On the PCP option it looks like they're forecasting around 50% depreciation over 3 years and 45k miles (PCP shows 48k on the road, final payment 23k).

[The Vambo]

DickP said:

I just had a play about with the configurator. On the PCP option it looks like they're forecasting around 50% depreciation over 3 years and 45k miles (PCP shows 48k on the road, final payment 23k).

An Evoque depreciates 30 - 38 % over 3 years, less when first introduced.

Those numbers are very wrong.

[MC Bodge]

The Vambo said:

DickP said:

I just had a play about with the configurator. On the PCP option it looks like they're forecasting around 50% depreciation over 3 years and 45k miles (PCP shows 48k on the road, final payment 23k).

An Evoque depreciates 30 - 38 % over 3 years, less when first introduced.

Those numbers are very wrong.

Maybe they are anticipating a market change?

[Oilchange]

slider2 said:

I have 2 defenders already, they’re great for all the reasons we all know. This one looks to be brilliant in all sorts of longer , more comfortable sort of journey ways. But, it’s got EIGHTY-THREE ECU’s apparently, and an 8 speed auto box.
Judging by normal modern LR failure rates, this will not be a pleasant ownership proposition. And I hate thinking that! Because I want it not to be that way. As with my L322...

Thought you only needed one ecu for the engine and possibly one for the gearbox.
What on Earth are the other EIGHTY ONE ecus for?

[The Vambo]

MC Bodge said:

The Vambo said:

DickP said:

I just had a play about with the configurator. On the PCP option it looks like they're forecasting around 50% depreciation over 3 years and 45k miles (PCP shows 48k on the road, final payment 23k).

An Evoque depreciates 30 - 38 % over 3 years, less when first introduced.

Those numbers are very wrong.

Maybe they are anticipating a market change?

That would be a guess then, best ignore people who guess.

[MC Bodge]

The Vambo said:

That would be a guess then, best ignore people who guess.

You've lost me. Are we arguing? If so, why?

[anonymous-user]

Oilchange said:

slider2 said:

I have 2 defenders already, they’re great for all the reasons we all know. This one looks to be brilliant in all sorts of longer , more comfortable sort of journey ways. But, it’s got EIGHTY-THREE ECU’s apparently, and an 8 speed auto box.
Judging by normal modern LR failure rates, this will not be a pleasant ownership proposition. And I hate thinking that! Because I want it not to be that way. As with my L322...

Thought you only needed one ecu for the engine and possibly one for the gearbox.
What on Earth are the other EIGHTY ONE ecus for?

are you stuck in 1987? Seriously, cars had two ecus 30 years ago!!

[R.Sole]

donutskidmark said:

I love it - looks great......
but aren’t new Land Rovers mostly seen on the back of break down recovery lorries?

A Skoda Yeti is the thinking man’s SUV

Going by your statement about LRs you won’t be buying a Yeti the then!

[rambo19]

The biggest problem will be reliabilty.

[ian in lancs]

I've specced a Defender and a new X3 to the same spec as my current X3. They are within £200 of each other; £55k. OMG! How much? Stick with what Ive got thanks!

[eltax91]

I love it. I want one. I too specced a modest one up on the configuration and got to 48k, £5k down, £766 p/m with a 22k balloon.

That’s a mortgage on a 3 bed here oop north with change the spare. Just to RENT one.

[MC Bodge]

eltax91 said:

I love it. I want one. I too specced a modest one up on the configuration and got to 48k, £5k down, £766 p/m with a 22k balloon.

That’s a mortgage on a 3 bed here oop north with change the spare. Just to RENT one.

Although I could pay that, as a suburban ire with no need for an off road vehicle, I would feel that I was pouring my money away.

[eltax91]

MC Bodge said:

eltax91 said:

I love it. I want one. I too specced a modest one up on the configuration and got to 48k, £5k down, £766 p/m with a 22k balloon.

That’s a mortgage on a 3 bed here oop north with change the spare. Just to RENT one.

Although I could pay that, as a suburban ire with no need for an off road vehicle, I would feel that I was pouring my money away.

Yep. I’ve no need for one at all. The yearn is strong. I could stretch to one, but I couldn’t do it to myself.

[Oilchange]

Max_Torque said:

Oilchange said:

slider2 said:

I have 2 defenders already, they’re great for all the reasons we all know. This one looks to be brilliant in all sorts of longer , more comfortable sort of journey ways. But, it’s got EIGHTY-THREE ECU’s apparently, and an 8 speed auto box.
Judging by normal modern LR failure rates, this will not be a pleasant ownership proposition. And I hate thinking that! Because I want it not to be that way. As with my L322...

Thought you only needed one ecu for the engine and possibly one for the gearbox.
What on Earth are the other EIGHTY ONE ecus for?

are you stuck in 1987? Seriously, cars had two ecus 30 years ago!!

Ah right. The other 81 ecus are for the SHEEP to chew on!

[Flumpo]

MC Bodge said:

Jonny TVR said:

There are very thin lines between each models positioning. I guess the discovery is supposed to be a bit more luxury but where does that leave the Velar?

I didn't know where the Velar fitted in

Mercedes now sells x10 SUVs.

I’m not sure model lines and fitting in is a thing anymore!

[MC Bodge]

eltax91 said:

Yep. I’ve no need for one at all. The yearn is strong. I could stretch to one, but I couldn’t do it to myself.

I've never looked into the costs of PCP for cars like that, but it is quite illuminating if that's how much so many people are paying to keep one.

It's a different discussion, but the benefit of driving around in one compared with, say, a £25K car for most must be marginal at best!

Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 11th September 08:19

[Oilchange]

I am in awe of this great looking car but two things are stopping me from having one.

1. I can't afford one.

2. If I could I suspect when the ecu that controls the headrest fails, which is linked to the engine management, gearbox and all the other ecus, it will put the car into 'Limp Home Mode' and will be impossible to diagnose.