RE: Land Rover Defender walkaround | Frankfurt 2019

RE: Land Rover Defender walkaround | Frankfurt 2019

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ian in lancs

3,337 posts

143 months

Tuesday 10th September
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I've specced a Defender and a new X3 to the same spec as my current X3. They are within £200 of each other; £55k. OMG! How much? Stick with what Ive got thanks!

smartypants

41,156 posts

114 months

Tuesday 10th September
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You can pay £55k for an X3?

Is that gold plated?

ash73

16,506 posts

166 months

Tuesday 10th September
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It looks like a much nicer Discovery, not a Defender.

And it will be horrendously unreliable like all Land Rovers.

eltax91

8,093 posts

151 months

Tuesday 10th September
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I love it. I want one. I too specced a modest one up on the configuration and got to 48k, £5k down, £766 p/m with a 22k balloon.

That’s a mortgage on a 3 bed here oop north with change the spare. Just to RENT one. redface

MC Bodge

11,281 posts

120 months

Tuesday 10th September
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eltax91 said:
I love it. I want one. I too specced a modest one up on the configuration and got to 48k, £5k down, £766 p/m with a 22k balloon.

That’s a mortgage on a 3 bed here oop north with change the spare. Just to RENT one. redface
Although I could pay that, as a suburban ire with no need for an off road vehicle, I would feel that I was pouring my money away.

eltax91

8,093 posts

151 months

Wednesday 11th September
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MC Bodge said:
eltax91 said:
I love it. I want one. I too specced a modest one up on the configuration and got to 48k, £5k down, £766 p/m with a 22k balloon.

That’s a mortgage on a 3 bed here oop north with change the spare. Just to RENT one. redface
Although I could pay that, as a suburban ire with no need for an off road vehicle, I would feel that I was pouring my money away.
Yep. I’ve no need for one at all. The yearn is strong. I could stretch to one, but I couldn’t do it to myself.

Oilchange

5,656 posts

205 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Max_Torque said:
Oilchange said:
slider2 said:
I have 2 defenders already, they’re great for all the reasons we all know. This one looks to be brilliant in all sorts of longer , more comfortable sort of journey ways. But, it’s got EIGHTY-THREE ECU’s apparently, and an 8 speed auto box.
Judging by normal modern LR failure rates, this will not be a pleasant ownership proposition. And I hate thinking that! Because I want it not to be that way. As with my L322...
Thought you only needed one ecu for the engine and possibly one for the gearbox.
What on Earth are the other EIGHTY ONE ecus for?
are you stuck in 1987? Seriously, cars had two ecus 30 years ago!!
Ah right. The other 81 ecus are for the SHEEP to chew on!

Flumpo

934 posts

18 months

Wednesday 11th September
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MC Bodge said:
Jonny TVR said:
There are very thin lines between each models positioning. I guess the discovery is supposed to be a bit more luxury but where does that leave the Velar?
I didn't know where the Velar fitted in
Mercedes now sells x10 SUVs.

I’m not sure model lines and fitting in is a thing anymore!

MC Bodge

11,281 posts

120 months

Wednesday 11th September
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eltax91 said:
Yep. I’ve no need for one at all. The yearn is strong. I could stretch to one, but I couldn’t do it to myself.
I've never looked into the costs of PCP for cars like that, but it is quite illuminating if that's how much so many people are paying to keep one.

It's a different discussion, but the benefit of driving around in one compared with, say, a £25K car for most must be marginal at best!

Edited by MC Bodge on Wednesday 11th September 08:19

Oilchange

5,656 posts

205 months

Wednesday 11th September
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I am in awe of this great looking car but two things are stopping me from having one.

1. I can't afford one.

2. If I could I suspect when the ecu that controls the headrest fails, which is linked to the engine management, gearbox and all the other ecus, it will put the car into 'Limp Home Mode' and will be impossible to diagnose. nuts

Hairymonster

466 posts

50 months

Wednesday 11th September
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I can see the appeal - it's the rugged tonka toy thing, a bit like the new Suzuki Jimny (on a smaller scale obviously) which has a loooong waiting list.

It's definitely shifted from the utilitarian market base who need its go-anywhere capabilities, towards the lifestyle/Chelsea tractor brigade, who will flock to this in droves, ordering one of these over a Disco/Evoque/Disco sport/Velar. This will have massive waiting lists and early models will sell secondhand at a premium.

From £40k - tells you all you need to know. There aren't going to be many of these used on farms or UN peace-keeping missions. Where's the stripped-out spec model without the toys for £25k?

The two farmers I know drive Mazda & Toyota pickups and have done for years.

This LR will have massive appeal and will be considered the ultimate SUV for many. Will be interesting to see how reliable they are.

MC Bodge

11,281 posts

120 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Hairymonster said:
From £40k - tells you all you need to know. There aren't going to be many of these used on farms or UN peace-keeping missions. Where's the stripped-out spec model without the toys for £25k?
That's what I wondered. It appears to be a very different concept to the old Land Rover. Is it now much different to the other LR SUVs?

CDP

5,735 posts

199 months

Wednesday 11th September
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I’m sure it’s a great car but more of a successor to the Range Rover and Disco than a Landie. I hope it sells well but the Grenadier is probably more the real thing.

Grrbang

124 posts

16 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Love it. Is there a better looking 6 or 7 seater out there?

STO

582 posts

101 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Love it, but its not really a work horse ,like Defenders of old but I supose JLR aren't in that market anymore.

Sensei Rob

100 posts

24 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Wow, I wasn't expecting this....I seem to be in the minority who thinks this is utter crap. You have to try really hard to ruin an icon, and Land Rover have gone above and beyond.

In my humble opinion, it would have been better if they updated the old one with a newer drivetrain and called it a day.

Sa Calobra

28,918 posts

156 months

Wednesday 11th September
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It's carrying on the discovery look for the LR family look.

I'm not a fan. It looks targeted at the Hale village/Cheshire crowd.

Let's see how many the army order for front line duties.

Dave Hedgehog

11,085 posts

149 months

Wednesday 11th September
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do all the 'influencers' form a line and take it in turns to film them?


not normally my sort of thing but i like it

a matt black one with lara croft gear

NomduJour

14,493 posts

204 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Sa Calobra said:
Let's see how many the army order for front line duties.
No army orders these sort of cars for “frontline duties” nowadays, because they aren’t armoured and nasty foreign men blow them up.


skyrover

12,224 posts

149 months

Wednesday 11th September
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Not even suitable for farm work let alone the military.