RE: Ford Ranger Raptor | UK Drive

RE: Ford Ranger Raptor | UK Drive

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130R

6,012 posts

151 months

Thursday 12th September
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This is more expensive than US price for an F-150 Raptor with the 450hp V6 ..

It's an expensive toy and only offering it with an under powered diesel engine makes no sense IMO.

Avdb

136 posts

63 months

Thursday 12th September
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Entirely different cars but for 50k would prefer this Raptor rather than the new Defender.

300bhp/ton

37,268 posts

135 months

Thursday 12th September
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Kawasicki said:
300bhp/ton said:
BenLowden said:
I can see myself in one of those in my favourite checked shirt blasting out Sweet Home Alabama. Love it!
I suppose the irony is, this Ranger was a development of a Japanese truck, design for the RoW markets and not the USA and wasn't even sold there until recently. And aren't most Rangers built in Asia.

That said, I probably agree with your sentiment. Awesome song and a great looking truck. Plus I have lots of check shirts...... getmecoat

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This Ranger is an australian developed Ford, it's not based on anything Japanese.
Wasn't the Raptor developed in Oz. But the base truck hails from Mazda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_(T6)

Jimbo89

99 posts

89 months

Thursday 12th September
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Zetec-S said:
Roo said:
Fast Bug said:
It’s not a builders thing, or indeed any kind of work truck. The payload is so low, that in the eyes of the law it’s not a commercial vehicle. So run it through the books and the tax man nails you for BIK as a 50k car. Nice one Ford, point missed by a country mile.
This is the bit most people have missed.
No one is going to buy it because it's the sensible financial option.
Based on the numbers I've seen over the years barely anyone is going to buy one full stop. Double cab pick-ups bought as cars and not commercial vehicles are very low. You might get the odd person who wants £50k a family vehicle with a boot that gets wet when it rains but it won't be a hit over here, lifestyle pick-ups just aren't a UK thing. However if it was this or an Amarok as my next company truck, I'd have this, however they're not actually in the same market segment now.

Whereas if they had maintained the +1 Tonne load weight then I'd have one in a heartbeat as a company truck. For comparison, classed as a commercial vehicle you can run it for roughly £130 a month (including fuel paid for by the company) as a 40% tax payer...not commercial around £580 a month (not including fuel) just in company car tax. So yeah, not a sensible financial option or sensible options full stop and point missed by Ford.

300bhp/ton

37,268 posts

135 months

Thursday 12th September
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Dr G said:
It's horrible but there's clearly a market for people who want to make their pickup trucks look this way so I don't begrudge Ford for taking their money.

I personally think they're in quite poor taste but don't imagine the people buying them care about my opinion for a nanosecond.
I suspect some people may feel the same about these though... wink


DBRacingGod

536 posts

137 months

Thursday 12th September
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Zetec-S said:
Kubevoid said:
It's the sort of thing a site foreman, surveyor, project manager type will rock up on site with, dressed in shirt and trousers, who will then proceed to don hard hat, hi-viz and willies to trudge around site with a clipboard looking important.
Willies, eh?



The Vambo

3,752 posts

86 months

Thursday 12th September
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DBRacingGod said:
Zetec-S said:
Kubevoid said:
It's the sort of thing a site foreman, surveyor, project manager type will rock up on site with, dressed in shirt and trousers, who will then proceed to don hard hat, hi-viz and willies to trudge around site with a clipboard looking important.
Willies, eh?


rofl

Stuartvines7

1 posts

Thursday 12th September
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Shame about the performance because it looks great! Wish they'd make a v8 version or just take out the F150 over here

Zetec-S

2,963 posts

38 months

Thursday 12th September
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DBRacingGod said:
Zetec-S said:
Kubevoid said:
It's the sort of thing a site foreman, surveyor, project manager type will rock up on site with, dressed in shirt and trousers, who will then proceed to don hard hat, hi-viz and willies to trudge around site with a clipboard looking important.
Willies, eh?


rofl

  • Wellies* - Must learn to proof read... hehe

Sandpit Steve

255 posts

19 months

Thursday 12th September
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300bhp/ton said:
I suspect some people may feel the same about these though... wink

But this isn’t an S6, it’s the “S-Line” model that tries desperately to look the part, while suffering from an extreme lack of actual performance.

Maybe the F150 is a little too big for U.K. roads, but that’s a proper truck with serious performance both on and off road.

As others have said, Ford are likely to sell almost none of these Ranger Raptors anyway, because all of the tax and company reasons for having a ‘nice’ pickup truck just don’t apply to this one.

Fast Bug

7,240 posts

106 months

Thursday 12th September
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It’s neither Arthur nor Martha. It’s doesn't appeal to the business user because of the tax implications, and it doesn’t have a stonking great engine like a proper Raptor so lacks the fun factor.

Gecko1978

2,615 posts

102 months

Thursday 12th September
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the wildtrack is significantly cheaper and does without what some plastic bits an bobs, this at 50k is just going to sell in double figures at best. The Isuzu is way cheaper an does the same thing and "looks the part" if that is your thing and there is a huge aftermarket for pickup add-ons in the UK already. So no not for me. Also a V8 version feels a bit like the RR SVR and X5M stuff etc kind of pointless but of course we are all glad they exist and there vision for such things is there.

james-uqyen

3 posts

45 months

Thursday 12th September
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make it faster or it's pointless. surely the V6 turbo would slot in? EV version to save the day in a few years maybe?

forcedinduction7

14 posts

90 months

Thursday 12th September
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I think other markets get the 2.3 petrol turbo engine from the Mustang.

sassthathoopie

796 posts

160 months

Thursday 12th September
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300bhp/ton said:
Heaps cheaper, aren't they about £47,000?

https://www.isuzu.co.uk/arctictrucksat35


Cool trucks though. Probably not as good at the high speed stuff as the Raptor though. Shame Isuzu don't offer a variant of the Colorado ZR2 with the AT35 bits. Now that would be a really cool truck.
I paid £34,500 + VAT for mine last summer (It is a Utility Pack as I needed an extended cab) They are great fun to drive and do pick up their skirts, but of course that's not the point!

The latest Colorado has nothing to do with Isuzu - they parted ways with the development of the new Chevy.

loveice

486 posts

192 months

Thursday 12th September
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james-uqyen said:
make it faster or it's pointless. surely the V6 turbo would slot in? EV version to save the day in a few years maybe?
I’m sure it is possible. But Ford wouldn’t do it as its F150 Raptor uses a 3.5L V6 that can be found in the Ford GT.

So as I said if you are talking about what engine Ford should’ve put in it, then the best I can see is the 350bhp engine from Focus RS.

loveice

486 posts

192 months

Thursday 12th September
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forcedinduction7 said:
I think other markets get the 2.3 petrol turbo engine from the Mustang.
You mean standard Ranger, then yes. In America they have the 2.3 petrol version.

But as for the Ranger Raptor, no. There’s only one version of it globally (mainly Asia, Australia and Europe).

RDMcG

13,614 posts

152 months

Thursday 12th September
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Not available on my side of the pond. I don't even like the full sized Raptor V6. Big traditional V8 in the original truck is the one I would go for. You do have to be careful a bit with it. A number have bent frames behind the cab from enthusiastic jumping but I still lust for the old one.

loveice

486 posts

192 months

Thursday 12th September
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Sandpit Steve said:
But this isn’t an S6, it’s the “S-Line” model that tries desperately to look the part, while suffering from an extreme lack of actual performance.

Maybe the F150 is a little too big for U.K. roads, but that’s a proper truck with serious performance both on and off road.

As others have said, Ford are likely to sell almost none of these Ranger Raptors anyway, because all of the tax and company reasons for having a ‘nice’ pickup truck just don’t apply to this one.
You are right, it isn’t a real S6 equivalent. But it certainly no S-Line either.

It is a high speed off-roader just like the 90s Pajero Evo, but in a truck form and with way more extensive and expensive suspension and chassis modifications.

Of cause, unless it’s British, people here would only accept big horse power as anything special.


Edited by loveice on Thursday 12th September 13:41

Chestrockwell

1,869 posts

102 months

Thursday 12th September
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Why haven’t ford put the 3.2 5cyl diesel from the current ford rangers?

Also, as for the performance, 10.5 seconds isn’t a lot on paper however my friend had a Diahatsu 4trak years ago with 100bhp turbo diesel with proper off road tyres and I’m not sure if it was the short gearing or the lack of refinement, it actually felt quite brisk when going through the gears....up to 50 mph!

I don’t think this is slow for what it is. Diesel cars always feel faster than they are because of the torque so I wouldn’t let that 0-60 time put me off!