RE: Ford Ranger Raptor | UK Drive
Discussion
stickleback123 said:
300bhp/ton said:
I agree, I suspect once rolling it probably doesn't feel that slow, it might also have some deliberate power reducing gubbins or delay off the line to protect the drivetrain, which will impact a timed 0-60mph run.
Yes I agree that it'll probalby be detuned in 1st and 2nd (lots of things are)...meatballs said:
What class does this sit in? It's not classed as a commercial vehicle because it can't carry a big enough payload?
Is it a dual purpose vehicle?
But the kerb weight is greater than 2040 so van speed limits apply?
Confused.
I thought pickups are classed as normal vehicles as they have back/5 seats? Is it a dual purpose vehicle?
But the kerb weight is greater than 2040 so van speed limits apply?
Confused.
sassthathoopie said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
So it's not quick and doesn't have a V8 - who cares? It looks great, is brilliant off road and is totally different to anything else in the UK.
Not everything has to be about straight line speed.
Not everything has to be about straight line speed.
Mine's got Fox Racing dampers, 35" BF Goodrich tyres and is heaps cheaper: Isuzu D-Max Arctic Trucks AT35 Utility Pack
fblm said:
stickleback123 said:
300bhp/ton said:
I agree, I suspect once rolling it probably doesn't feel that slow, it might also have some deliberate power reducing gubbins or delay off the line to protect the drivetrain, which will impact a timed 0-60mph run.
Yes I agree that it'll probalby be detuned in 1st and 2nd (lots of things are)...Gandahar said:
A 2.0 litre diesel with 10 gears.
10.5s 0-60mph.
One gear per 1 second of acceleration.
I'm trying to work out whether 10 gears make it faster or slower.
I know 10 gears sounds a lot and I struggled to get my head around it too. But the way I started thinking of it is, to look at it a 5 speed box with an Over Drive on each gear.10.5s 0-60mph.
One gear per 1 second of acceleration.
I'm trying to work out whether 10 gears make it faster or slower.
Back in the 60's and 70's OD was popular on many cars such as Triumph and MG's. The OD would work on 2nd, 3rd & 4th. Giving you essentially 7 gears to use even way back then.
Having 5 gears which you can essentially split with an OD makes much more sense. With a diesel this should make towing much better as you'll always have a good gear to use the best part of the rev range. For wide open acceleration I'm not so sure though, diesels don't perform best at high rpm. So gearing to keep them revving high and missing out their large torque band may not procude the most exciting results.
Glenn63 said:
meatballs said:
What class does this sit in? It's not classed as a commercial vehicle because it can't carry a big enough payload?
Is it a dual purpose vehicle?
But the kerb weight is greater than 2040 so van speed limits apply?
Confused.
I thought pickups are classed as normal vehicles as they have back/5 seats? Is it a dual purpose vehicle?
But the kerb weight is greater than 2040 so van speed limits apply?
Confused.
fblm said:
stickleback123 said:
300bhp/ton said:
I agree, I suspect once rolling it probably doesn't feel that slow, it might also have some deliberate power reducing gubbins or delay off the line to protect the drivetrain, which will impact a timed 0-60mph run.
Yes I agree that it'll probalby be detuned in 1st and 2nd (lots of things are)...300bhp/ton said:
I know 10 gears sounds a lot and I struggled to get my head around it too. But the way I started thinking of it is, to look at it a 5 speed box with an Over Drive on each gear.
Back in the 60's and 70's OD was popular on many cars such as Triumph and MG's. The OD would work on 2nd, 3rd & 4th. Giving you essentially 7 gears to use even way back then.
Having 5 gears which you can essentially split with an OD makes much more sense. With a diesel this should make towing much better as you'll always have a good gear to use the best part of the rev range. For wide open acceleration I'm not so sure though, diesels don't perform best at high rpm. So gearing to keep them revving high and missing out their large torque band may not procude the most exciting results.
I recall my father owning a 60's Buick with a 2 speed automatic gearbox - it wasn't slow but it had a 7 litre V8 ! Back in the 60's and 70's OD was popular on many cars such as Triumph and MG's. The OD would work on 2nd, 3rd & 4th. Giving you essentially 7 gears to use even way back then.
Having 5 gears which you can essentially split with an OD makes much more sense. With a diesel this should make towing much better as you'll always have a good gear to use the best part of the rev range. For wide open acceleration I'm not so sure though, diesels don't perform best at high rpm. So gearing to keep them revving high and missing out their large torque band may not procude the most exciting results.
Just checked on Google and it seems it was 3 speed 0-60 7.3 seconds in the 60's
Oh yes this Raptor is progress...
ks and would love one.
loveice said:
"Point being of course that this is an all-wheel-drive pick-up that can hack it off road"
I'm pretty sure this Range Raptor is part-time 4-wheel-drive rather than all-wheel-drive.
I find this review to be more informative:
https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans-pickups/news/2019/f...
Also worth mentioning is that it comes with a manually operated rear diff-clock that can be switch on and off via a button on the dash. Personally I prefer this type (same as in the G-Class) to what LR is offering which can't be controlled manually at all. So, as it's a part-time 4wd, effectively it has two diff-locks in total when low-4 and rear diff-lock are engaged.
What it really needs is the 2.3L turbo from Focus RS with around 350bhp that would make an 100bhp drop from the F-150 Raptor's 3.5L V6 which is currently rated at 450bhp and is actually based on the new Ford GT's V6 engine. The current 4-pot diesel with 200ish bhp is just simply wrong for the Raptor name.
Now, please bring us an Everest Raptor...
Sorry, very good point you make! I'll correct it now.I'm pretty sure this Range Raptor is part-time 4-wheel-drive rather than all-wheel-drive.
I find this review to be more informative:
https://www.parkers.co.uk/vans-pickups/news/2019/f...
Also worth mentioning is that it comes with a manually operated rear diff-clock that can be switch on and off via a button on the dash. Personally I prefer this type (same as in the G-Class) to what LR is offering which can't be controlled manually at all. So, as it's a part-time 4wd, effectively it has two diff-locks in total when low-4 and rear diff-lock are engaged.
What it really needs is the 2.3L turbo from Focus RS with around 350bhp that would make an 100bhp drop from the F-150 Raptor's 3.5L V6 which is currently rated at 450bhp and is actually based on the new Ford GT's V6 engine. The current 4-pot diesel with 200ish bhp is just simply wrong for the Raptor name.
Now, please bring us an Everest Raptor...
Edited by loveice on Thursday 12th September 09:47
GroundEffect said:
fblm said:
stickleback123 said:
300bhp/ton said:
I agree, I suspect once rolling it probably doesn't feel that slow, it might also have some deliberate power reducing gubbins or delay off the line to protect the drivetrain, which will impact a timed 0-60mph run.
Yes I agree that it'll probalby be detuned in 1st and 2nd (lots of things are)...Zetec-S said:
GroundEffect said:
fblm said:
stickleback123 said:
300bhp/ton said:
I agree, I suspect once rolling it probably doesn't feel that slow, it might also have some deliberate power reducing gubbins or delay off the line to protect the drivetrain, which will impact a timed 0-60mph run.
Yes I agree that it'll probalby be detuned in 1st and 2nd (lots of things are)...300bhp/ton said:
Gandahar said:
A 2.0 litre diesel with 10 gears.
10.5s 0-60mph.
One gear per 1 second of acceleration.
I'm trying to work out whether 10 gears make it faster or slower.
I know 10 gears sounds a lot and I struggled to get my head around it too. But the way I started thinking of it is, to look at it a 5 speed box with an Over Drive on each gear.10.5s 0-60mph.
One gear per 1 second of acceleration.
I'm trying to work out whether 10 gears make it faster or slower.
Back in the 60's and 70's OD was popular on many cars such as Triumph and MG's. The OD would work on 2nd, 3rd & 4th. Giving you essentially 7 gears to use even way back then.
Having 5 gears which you can essentially split with an OD makes much more sense. With a diesel this should make towing much better as you'll always have a good gear to use the best part of the rev range. For wide open acceleration I'm not so sure though, diesels don't perform best at high rpm. So gearing to keep them revving high and missing out their large torque band may not procude the most exciting results.
If you want to drive any car in manual mode then that many gears is a pain, remembering what you are in, going down 5 gears etc etc, left to it's own devices should be fine.
It's all down to the modern way I guess, more gears, less torque from a more efficient engine, the first helps the latter.
First car with 13 speed gearbox and 25 inch wheels wins.
Gandahar said:
First car with 13 speed gearbox and 25 inch wheels wins.
lol. Don't know about cars, but I regularly drive a tractor with 36 forward gears and 12 reverse. And there are those with more. It's a manual too.I agree, I think pretty much anything more than 5 or 6 gears with an auto is hard to manually operate. Too much choice and too little time in each gear.
300bhp/ton said:
Gandahar said:
First car with 13 speed gearbox and 25 inch wheels wins.
lol. Don't know about cars, but I regularly drive a tractor with 36 forward gears and 12 reverse. And there are those with more. It's a manual too.I agree, I think pretty much anything more than 5 or 6 gears with an auto is hard to manually operate. Too much choice and too little time in each gear.
what is the future world coming to? I need to done my rose tinted VR glasses.
300bhp/ton said:
Wasn't the Raptor developed in Oz. But the base truck hails from Mazda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_(T6)
You guys are confusing it with the previous ford ranger which was a platform share with the Mazda.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger_(T6)
The current ranger is a Ford developed product as the poster above even said he worked on which is pretty cool!
The next generation ranger will be a platform share with VW. However I believe it is Ford doing the development, so in essence it will remain a Ford product with VW using it as the platform for their truck too.
As for the raptor I love it despite deserving a bit more power, and I would buy it if it qualified as a commercial vehicle for company car purposes. Unfortunately it does not, so it’s a wildtrack for me.
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