RE: Jaguar XE HSE P300 vs Alfa Romeo Giulia Veloce Ti

RE: Jaguar XE HSE P300 vs Alfa Romeo Giulia Veloce Ti

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anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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stuart_83 said:
Had a Giulia Veloce last year and I can honestly say it's the best car I've driven in a very long time.

Unfortunately Alfa UK are still nowhere near competent enough to support their cars and customers (don't know if Jag are any better), so you need to go into the buying experience expecting the worst. They are genuinely borderline corrupt from the Italian Headoffice down.

If you can get over that then you'll get a staggeringly good car to drive.

I couldn't, so it ended up going back.
This is the stumbling block for Alfa and to a lesser extent jaguar. The dealers.

You've got a limited pool of retailers for AR and I'm sorry but they don't seem to be up to the same level compared to the Germans - okay, they are far from perfect either, but there's more choice and a better experience. Alfa have the product now, so let it have the dealers too.

Jaguar has been nearly regulated as it tags along with LR dual arch dealers, but they have made a big push for coverage all over.

Oh, and I'd take the Alfa..

Ray_Aber

483 posts

277 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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I like both cars for their aesthetic appeal and good handling. I’d certainly take either over any of the German opposition although the RS3 Audi is a good shout. I just find the 3/A4/C triumvirate boring, with all three being stylistically flawed in some way.

It’s the Alfa that shades it for me. It’s a very attractive car.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

235 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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I prefer the Alfa.

But no doubt the Indians have helped JLR enormously to build semi decent cars at last.

jaa1aut

15 posts

82 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Either car would be better with a manual gearbox, or an engine bigger than 4 cylinders, or preferably both

GranCab

2,902 posts

147 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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jaa1aut said:
Either car would be better with a manual gearbox, or an engine bigger than 4 cylinders, or preferably both
Welcome to 1996 .....

cayman-black

12,650 posts

217 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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I bought a Giulia Veloce Q4 this year in Europe and i must say i absolutely love it.

chelme

1,353 posts

171 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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ITP said:
There is no sports saloon, probably at any price, that has a better ride/handling set up than a guilia.
I am constantly surprised how this is played down by pretty much all the motoring media, talking constantly about he infotainment not being good as German cars and some lack of ‘percieved’ quality, whatever that means.
It should be the benchmark for others to beat, but is branded as a left field choice instead. Odd.
The British Press are either 'enthralled' by German engineering, or they are fed by them via advertising, promotional goods, services and such like. Would not surprise me either way - they are not regulated after all.

Court_S

13,001 posts

178 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Alfa for me too. The interior looks like a much nicer place to sit with some actual effort put into the design.

Both are a shed load of cash though for four pit saloon. For that much cash , I'd be buying an RS3and sacrificing some space.

1878

821 posts

164 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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I bought the Alfa - ok, the non Ti regular Veloce model which mostly just does without some of the sportier trim bits and comes in at just under 40k. Without trying too hard on the haggling it came down to about £32,000 with metallic paint. It's a great drive and no regrets though it is my third Alfa so maybe I'm not the world's best critic.

Chestrockwell

2,629 posts

158 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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ITP said:
There is no sports saloon, probably at any price, that has a better ride/handling set up than a guilia.
I am constantly surprised how this is played down by pretty much all the motoring media, talking constantly about he infotainment not being good as German cars and some lack of ‘percieved’ quality, whatever that means.
It should be the benchmark for others to beat, but is branded as a left field choice instead. Odd.
Let me tell you one thing about Infotainment. I went from a 2015 4 series BMW to a 2017 Honda Civic Type R and while the Type R is the best handling car in its class along with the best steering feel and gear change, the infotainment system is an absolute shocker, I find myself getting angry sometimes as it either lags or I press the wrong button on the fly to change a song or to connect to Bluetooth. It’s very annoying. I will be selling this car soon to fund a house purchase and when I do buy another, I won’t be buying another so long it’s a daily driver.

The Alfa may be class leading in dynamics but 95% of the time, the car will be stuck in traffic or flowing with traffic at the speed limit.

I love my Civic but I also love music (HK in BMW’s) and a good intuitive non touchscreen infotainment system which is why I’ll be returning to BMW. It’s a compromise. The Alfa is probably the best but the Germans provide an all rounder which is why the roads are littered with them!

Wadeski

8,163 posts

214 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Yeah...I'll pass on a 40k exec saloon with a four pot.

Once emission regs come to favor mild-hybrid six cylinder motors with torque fill, we may have something worth listening to.

velocemitch

3,813 posts

221 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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ITP said:
There is no sports saloon, probably at any price, that has a better ride/handling set up than a guilia.
I am constantly surprised how this is played down by pretty much all the motoring media, talking constantly about he infotainment not being good as German cars and some lack of ‘percieved’ quality, whatever that means.
It should be the benchmark for others to beat, but is branded as a left field choice instead. Odd.
This......
The Giulia should be the enthusiasts choice as all those things a keen driver should find important are delivered beautifully, except perhaps a manual box ( but in reality very very few would tick that box anyway).
The Ti is over priced though, I think most who have already bought a Giulia would agree with that. A Standard Veloce is every bit as good on the road and significantly cheaper. Ti needs to have more power to make it worth the extra money.

jonpeck

19 posts

78 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Alfa is a probably the best looking in the whole segment aswell as them being somewhat of a rarity on the road.

But theres is a reason the big 3 are so far ahead. Massive discounts, competitive PCP and the fact they score at least a 7/10 in all areas is why so many are on the road.

velocemitch

3,813 posts

221 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Chestrockwell said:
ITP said:
There is no sports saloon, probably at any price, that has a better ride/handling set up than a guilia.
I am constantly surprised how this is played down by pretty much all the motoring media, talking constantly about he infotainment not being good as German cars and some lack of ‘percieved’ quality, whatever that means.
It should be the benchmark for others to beat, but is branded as a left field choice instead. Odd.
Let me tell you one thing about Infotainment. I went from a 2015 4 series BMW to a 2017 Honda Civic Type R and while the Type R is the best handling car in its class along with the best steering feel and gear change, the infotainment system is an absolute shocker, I find myself getting angry sometimes as it either lags or I press the wrong button on the fly to change a song or to connect to Bluetooth. It’s very annoying. I will be selling this car soon to fund a house purchase and when I do buy another, I won’t be buying another so long it’s a daily driver.

The Alfa may be class leading in dynamics but 95% of the time, the car will be stuck in traffic or flowing with traffic at the speed limit.

I love my Civic but I also love music (HK in BMW’s) and a good intuitive non touchscreen infotainment system which is why I’ll be returning to BMW. It’s a compromise. The Alfa is probably the best but the Germans provide an all rounder which is why the roads are littered with them!
To be fair the info system on the Alfa does every you ask, just it does it without some of the frills that you get with the others. The budget was spent elsewhere. They started from scratch and built the best sports saloon on the market, led top down via the QF.

Touring442

3,096 posts

210 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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The Alfa just seems so covetable in a way none of the German stuff is. It's still special after 2-3 years whereas the new 3 Series launch has already been relegated to 320d repmobile nothingness.

parabolica

6,724 posts

185 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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philmots said:
G20 330i would probably be better than both.
I test drove a Veloce Ti last weekend and loved it; RRP + the options it had spec'd on it came to £49k. I then went on Merc and BMW's sites to configure an equivalent 3 series and C class and with the same power/spec both were north of £50k.

The RRP on that Alfa I drove is £49k but the dealership has it for sale with 500 miles on it at £39k, which included the £2.5k paint option, the performance pack and the carbon pack. Someone is going to get a steal.

A few more months and i'll be in the position to commit to a new car and the Giulia is top of the list; no other new car appeals to me.


Numeric

1,398 posts

152 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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My M2 was recently in for some work and they gave me the keys to the latest 320d.

I've driven these often in the last version and found them 'adequate' at best. I have no idea what spec it was etc, some sort of none M sport thing? But it blew me away with how good it was!! Really amazed - two biggest criticisms were tyre noise (issue since the E46) and comedy tyres that could in no way handle the performance - but the suspension was genius. In short I was amazed.

Also made me realise that to build a better 3-series must be hell. The jags I've driven were nowhere near close, can't speak for Alfa - but I get why it is default for company car drivers - it is also so much better than last gen.


anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Numeric said:
My M2 was recently in for some work and they gave me the keys to the latest 320d.

I've driven these often in the last version and found them 'adequate' at best. I have no idea what spec it was etc, some sort of none M sport thing? But it blew me away with how good it was!! Really amazed - two biggest criticisms were tyre noise (issue since the E46) and comedy tyres that could in no way handle the performance - but the suspension was genius. In short I was amazed.

Also made me realise that to build a better 3-series must be hell. The jags I've driven were nowhere near close, can't speak for Alfa - but I get why it is default for company car drivers - it is also so much better than last gen.
I don't think anyone is disputing the high position the 3 series is in - and has been, well, since the E46. If you judge a car on how it makes you feel I think the Alfa, for me, (and also the Jag actually) comfortably overtakes the 3 series in that stake. It just feels more special, which I amazing considering it is humdrum saloon car made to rival similar cars.

swimdunc

40 posts

232 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Save yourself alot of money and buy an old manual Volvo s60r.

Onehp

1,617 posts

284 months

Saturday 14th September 2019
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Chestrockwell said:
I can’t believe how light the Alfa is compared to the Jag, it’s even lighter than the F-Type.
I can't either... as in, I don't. Put it on a set of scales and I'll believe what those say. Bet that it's at least 100kg more...