RE: Toyota announces V8 Land Cruiser 'Namib'

[Love JDM]

osdecar said:

This might be one of the most stupid things I've ever read in a forum!! And I've been reading forums almost during the last two decades. Congrats, sir

It is a Toyota so it's not exactly an unreasonable comment

[V8RX7]

J4CKO said:

Be interesting to compare this and the new Defender back to back, on road and off.

Pretty sure the LR will be better on road by a pretty huge margin, and given the same tyres, cant imagine its far behind off road, if it even is,

but would need an Off Road expert to explain why one would be better than the other.

It really doesn't

One can be fixed by anyone with a few tools and even after years of abuse will keep going

The other won't

As they say in Oz - and Land Rover will get you into the outback, a Land Cruiser will get you out

[warch]

V8RX7 said:

One can be fixed by anyone with a few tools and even after years of abuse will keep going

That's what makes Land Rovers so awesome, I can work on one in the dark, assuming it breaks down in the first place.

[Killboy]

Um, I wonder what farmers in South Africa would choose. I know most will already not touch a JLR product even if it came with a mechanic.

[V8RX7]

warch said:

V8RX7 said:

One can be fixed by anyone with a few tools and even after years of abuse will keep going

That's what makes Land Rovers so awesome, I can work on one in the dark, assuming it breaks down in the first place.

You can't with a new one, which is what we are talking about here.

If you want to talk about old ones... my mate goes green laning in his 80 Series Amazon, in approx 5 yrs of doing so he has never not got home, he cruises to the lanes at 80mph with the AC on, he can engage 3 diff locks.

Compare that to the old Land Rovers, half the time they don't make it to the start point, they cruise at 50ish, no ac, no diff locks and they travel with the back full of parts / tools to be fixed during the weekend and still some regularly don't make it home.

They were good in the 70's but they never improved the design - it's a real shame

[NomduJour]

V8RX7 said:

One can be fixed by anyone with a few tools and even after years of abuse will keep going

This rubbish is constantly trotted out as fact in these threads - they can be fixed using exactly the same kind of tools as any other car (including the various electronic diagnostic ones), and they break like everything else when abused - the big difference is that parts are available everywhere locally in places like Australia.

[warch]

V8RX7 said:

As they say in Oz - and Land Rover will get you into the outback, a Land Cruiser will get you out

Yes but that's just people parroting an old advertising slogan. It doesn't matter anyway because as we say over here, the Land Rover is the best 4x4xfar

[Countdown]

warch said:

Yes but that's just people parroting an old advertising slogan. It doesn't matter anyway because as we say over here, the Land Rover is the best 4x4xfar

If it was the "best" JLR wouldn't have stopped making it

[Pommy]

Max_Torque said:

Talk2Dave said:

I prefer the SUV version they make, the 76 Land Cruiser, it's like the japanese G-wagen without the fluff




Being a pom, i wanted a Defender, but bought a Prado instead, no regrets

We had some Aus friends visiting us earlier in the year, and they said they'd just bought a Prado. I said "what the heck's a Prado" and they replied "basically, it's a gay Land cruiser, mate"..... Rather un PC, but i suspect pretty close to the mark..... ;-)

Never heard any aussie ever say that.

Sounds like you made this up.

[havoc]

NomduJour said:

... and they break like everything else when abused

Key distinction - every car breaks when abused.

...it takes a Land Rover to break just for fun on a regular basis...

[V8RX7]

NomduJour said:

This rubbish is constantly trotted out as fact in these threads - they can be fixed using exactly the same kind of tools as any other car (including the various electronic diagnostic ones), and they break like everything else when abused - the big difference is that parts are available everywhere locally in places like Australia.

REALLY ?

You can fix a NEW defender with exactly the same tools as required with an old tech Land Cruiser ?

So you won't be needing any electronic readers ?

So it will carry on despite an electronic sensor breaking

UTTER BULLst

From someone who has been playing with and fixing cars for 25+ years

[V8RX7]

warch said:

V8RX7 said:

As they say in Oz - and Land Rover will get you into the outback, a Land Cruiser will get you out

Yes but that's just people parroting an old advertising slogan. It doesn't matter anyway because as we say over here, the Land Rover is the best 4x4xfar

If that was the case then why did most people who rely on them change to Toyota around 20 years ago ?

Did you know most UK 4x4 clubs won't let non Land Rover owners join ?

Why do you think that is ?

It isn't because the Land Rover are worried that they will show the Japanese up !

[warch]

V8RX7 said:

warch said:

V8RX7 said:

As they say in Oz - and Land Rover will get you into the outback, a Land Cruiser will get you out

Yes but that's just people parroting an old advertising slogan. It doesn't matter anyway because as we say over here, the Land Rover is the best 4x4xfar

If that was the case then why did most people who rely on them change to Toyota around 20 years ago ?

Did you know most UK 4x4 clubs won't let non Land Rover owners join ?

Why do you think that is ?

It isn't because the Land Rover are worried that they will show the Japanese up !

The best 4x4xfar thing is a quote from an advertising campaign by Land Rover in the 80s. See also The car in front is a Toyota. Its meaningless advertising copy.

There aren't many Toyotas where I live, lots and lots of Defenders, Discoverys and DMAX and L200 pickups, with the odd other pickup including Hiluxes, Rangers and Amaroks.

Please feel free to provide an example of a UK 4x4 club that doesn't let non Land Rover owners join. I've googled a few and apart from the marque specific clubs can't find any evidence of this.

I have been to the odd UK off road trials event albeit over twenty years ago, the only Land Rovers present were recovery vehicles, all the entries were Suzuki SJ's.

[NomduJour]

V8RX7 said:

REALLY ?

You can fix a NEW defender with exactly the same tools as required with an old tech Land Cruiser ?

So you won't be needing any electronic readers ?

So it will carry on despite an electronic sensor breaking

UTTER BULLst

From someone who has been playing with and fixing cars for 25+ years

Ha. Are you really trying to pretend that a new 70 Series Land Cruiser, with a piezo direct-injected V8 turbo diesel with a DPF, ABS, ETC and all the other accompanying electronic bits, is going to be easy to fix without the correct tools and equipment? Or are you comparing an old Land Cruiser with a new Land Rover?

[bobtail4x4]

at the overland show this weekend, as we left,
Mr Knowitall walked past just as we had jump leads from a nissan pathfinder to a defender,

"these landrovers are nothing but trouble" he says

er if you listen the defender is running, the nissan is completely dead, something electical has drained the battery overnight,
the only electronic thing on my defender it the radio.

Edited by bobtail4x4 on Monday 30th September 12:01

[300bhp/ton]

NomduJour said:

V8RX7 said:

REALLY ?

You can fix a NEW defender with exactly the same tools as required with an old tech Land Cruiser ?

So you won't be needing any electronic readers ?

So it will carry on despite an electronic sensor breaking

UTTER BULLst

From someone who has been playing with and fixing cars for 25+ years

Ha. Are you really trying to pretend that a new 70 Series Land Cruiser, with a piezo direct-injected V8 turbo diesel with a DPF, ABS, ETC and all the other accompanying electronic bits, is going to be easy to fix without the correct tools and equipment? Or are you comparing an old Land Cruiser with a new Land Rover?

Why don't you try working on your Disco 3's suspension or handbrake without a diagnostic tool. Then think what tools you'd need for this Toyota by comparison to work on the same things.

I'm guessing you have something like a Hawkeye/Nancom type of thing as a D3 owner.

[V8RX7]

NomduJour said:

V8RX7 said:

REALLY ?

You can fix a NEW defender with exactly the same tools as required with an old tech Land Cruiser ?

So you won't be needing any electronic readers ?

So it will carry on despite an electronic sensor breaking

UTTER BULLst

From someone who has been playing with and fixing cars for 25+ years

Ha. Are you really trying to pretend that a new 70 Series Land Cruiser, with a piezo direct-injected V8 turbo diesel with a DPF, ABS, ETC and all the other accompanying electronic bits, is going to be easy to fix without the correct tools and equipment? Or are you comparing an old Land Cruiser with a new Land Rover?

I am comparing the New Defender with the LC Namib - as the article

Regarding my friend, I am comparing his 80 Series with both newer and older Defenders / LR Series

However I'd happily have a bet against the reliability of any Land Rover product against any comparable Toyota product.

Have you looked at the reliability surveys ?

[NomduJour]

V8RX7 said:

However

Indeed.