RE: Tesla beats Taycan 'ring time...

[Burwood]

Swine Enthusiast said:

So in order to beat the Taycan time, you take a retail car, completely change the brakes to an AP Big Brake kit, suspension totally reworked potentially with third party kit, the wick turned up on the batteries so it lasts 14 miles, extra aero, wider axle and track combined with un-buyable (as of yet) tires. Might as well asked me (or any car enthusiast/Youtuber) how I would of tried to beat the Porsche's time and modded a random car with mods/kit.

Yeah, big well down (slow golf clap).

This. It's a tricked out pony. The interior seats have been removed too

[Dave Hedgehog]

Pintofbest said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

citation

https://www.forbes.com/sites/enriquedans/2018/12/07/the-key-for-teslas-future-is-batteries-not-cars/#3cfec2964061

It's been part of the Tesla story forever.

that's an opinion piece not from Tesla, and i thought it was Panasonic actually making the batteries not Tesla

[Chainsaw Rebuild]

Seems a fairly pointless exercise from Tesla because it’s seemingly a far from production model. One slow clap for them.

Nice colour though!

[AlexS]

J4CKO said:

It is interesting but ultimately bks isnt it ? put your average punter in even the cheapest (all relative...)Model S and give it full throttle, and pants will be pooped, same for the Taycan, they are all so many degrees of overkill in terms of acceleration anyway. Now the "Plaid" (which I believe is colonial for Tartan) will have 900 bhp or therabouts

Plaid comes from Maximum Plaid which was the fastest speed in Spaceballs. Ludicrous mode was the 2nd fastest.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Burwood said:

This. It's a tricked out pony. The interior seats have been removed too

proof of that please

[Dave Hedgehog]

Chainsaw Rebuild said:

Seems a fairly pointless exercise from Tesla because it’s seemingly a far from production model. One slow clap for them.

Nice colour though!

There whole company marketing and PR has been based on stunts like this with zero expenditure on traditional advertising be it vapour ware like the the roadster or magazines and youtubers nuking ICE cars on drag strips

[EyeHeartSpellin]

kambites said:

Or it's a mule for the roadster and they aren't going for any sort of record at all.

This

[JD]

Dale at BTG said:

... so let me just say that those Goodyear Eagle F1 tyres aren't recognisable as the versions you can buy,

It's on these: https://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/eagle-f1-supe...

[JD]

jon- said:

I messaged Goodyear and they said it wasn't on their tyre, certainly not the SuperSport RS.

They literally say Goodyear on the side.

[jon-]

JD said:

Dale at BTG said:

... so let me just say that those Goodyear Eagle F1 tyres aren't recognisable as the versions you can buy,

https://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/eagle-f1-supercar-3r

You are correct, it's a US specific pattern which might be causing confusion at the ring.

[Onehp]

Anybody else happy for this development?

I've been following BEV's but haven't found personal interest because so far they have been, mostly, about straight line performance....

The model 3 Performance, the Taycan and now this...

Straight line performance is for fast cars, turns are for fast drivers? A rough quote of iirc Colin McRae...

[aston addict]

Typical smoke and mirrors. Standard Musk playbook.

And says something when most positive comments are directed at the blue paint.

[Leithen]

AshD said:

I also expect Porsche / VW Group have bought a few Tesla's and ripped them apart to see what's inside them and learn where they can (I'm sure without infringing IP!)

They might have also pedalled them round the 'ring to see how fast a stock version is.....

[Fastlane]

BFleming said:

I know some Tesla drivers. They also wear Apple watches, often work from home, and say how good their cars are. They've all floored them to see how amazing the acceleration is. They haven't done so multiple times in a row. They haven't brought it on track, because... well... the thought has never entered their heads. None of them are car people, they're tech heads that like the newest & shiniest.

I would say that was the case by and large, but is changing, especially because of the BiK benefits. Based on the Model 3 Facebook page, there are plenty of people who love their performance cars who are getting a Model 3, especially the Performance version. Although rather one-dimensional, many middle-aged blokes brought up on Top Trumps think that 0.60 in 3.2 seconds and 0-100 in 8.6 seconds is pretty exciting, especially at this price point. As one chap said, it matches the McLaren F1's 0-60 time. One chap said he had done 300 miles on £10.70 worth of electricity - that's equivalent to 166 mpg! That's a pretty convincing argument for even a die hard petrol head like me (my fun car is a supercharged Atom if that counts?).

[Otispunkmeyer]

Pobsey said:

Will I be able to go into a Tesla dealership, sorry Tesla website and order a car that can do that ring time? That car looks far from a production Model S...

Its got semi-slicks, big carbon ceramics, the powertrain is meant to be the 3 motor setup from the upcoming roadster (which sounds like its going to be face bending) and I wouldn't be surprised if it had no interior and had someone fettle the geometry.

So no, you won't be able to buy it.

But... I don't care. Amazing to see what a big fat 7 seater sedan can do with the EV wick turned all the way up. Its game on now, wonder if Porsche will come back for a second go, I do wonder how much reserve Porsche left in the Taycan.

[Plate spinner]

Dave Hedgehog said:

i suspect its a roadster rollerskate with a model S body glued to it

lovely colour

Agreed, it’s the prototype model in disguise IMO.

Tesla are the underdog, the new guard. To start ‘bending’ the rules for plaudits would be an utterly daft move because everyone would pounce immediately to cry foul play. And it’s not been how they’ve operated so far, so why start now.

And think what you like about Musk, he’s not daft.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Fastlane said:

BFleming said:

I know some Tesla drivers. They also wear Apple watches, often work from home, and say how good their cars are. They've all floored them to see how amazing the acceleration is. They haven't done so multiple times in a row. They haven't brought it on track, because... well... the thought has never entered their heads. None of them are car people, they're tech heads that like the newest & shiniest.

I would say that was the case by and large, but is changing, especially because of the BiK benefits. Based on the Model 3 Facebook page, there are plenty of people who love their performance cars who are getting a Model 3, especially the Performance version. Although rather one-dimensional, many middle-aged blokes brought up on Top Trumps think that 0.60 in 3.2 seconds and 0-100 in 8.6 seconds is pretty exciting, especially at this price point. As one chap said, it matches the McLaren F1's 0-60 time. One chap said he had done 300 miles on £10.70 worth of electricity - that's equivalent to 166 mpg! That's a pretty convincing argument for even a die hard petrol head like me (my fun car is a supercharged Atom if that counts?).

I agree with the sentiment... Tesla and EVs have brought a lot of new people into the "petrol head" world who otherwise, couldn't give a stuff what badge is on their 4-wheeled work transportation box. But EVs and the associated technology give them an in. Its fun to see how they view things. It seems quite binary in places. They compare cars like they compare smartphones and graphics cards. Its pure spec-sheet wars and more = better. They've not grasped, like the older petrol heads, that cars are much more than spec-lists and can be much greater than the sum of their parts.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Onehp said:

Anybody else happy for this development?

I've been following BEV's but haven't found personal interest because so far they have been, mostly, about straight line performance....

The model 3 Performance, the Taycan and now this...

Straight line performance is for fast cars, turns are for fast drivers? A rough quote of iirc Colin McRae...

there are some vids on youtube of basic RWD model 3s with their ESP disabled drifting like nutters thanks to the instant torque

looks a lot of fun

[WestyCarl]

Otispunkmeyer said:

But... I don't care. Amazing to see what a big fat 7 seater sedan can do with the EV wick turned all the way up. Its game on now, wonder if Porsche will come back for a second go, I do wonder how much reserve Porsche left in the Taycan.

Exaclty, this is PH not mumsnet . Can't believe eveyone complaining about it, regardless of the spec it's a fast car.... (I don't think Tesla have claimed it's std or not, just been reported by journo's and people have jumped on it)

[Biggles111]

BFleming said:

I know some Tesla drivers. They also wear Apple watches, often work from home, and say how good their cars are. They've all floored them to see how amazing the acceleration is. They haven't done so multiple times in a row. They haven't brought it on track, because... well... the thought has never entered their heads. None of them are car people, they're tech heads that like the newest & shiniest. Their iPhone costs £50/month, their Tesla again is a monthly cost, rarely bought outright. It's just something different, and once the mainstream manufacturers make half-decent affordable electric cars available, Tesla will feel the pinch.

I drive an S. I also drive an old Porsche, and really like both brands. Both cars are very different, I would not want to use my S on track as is simply too heavy, equally my Porsche is great on track but would be uncomfortable on a long drive. The S costs me £5 to charge (using a night tariff) for up to 300 miles of range, which means (I do 20k miles+ per year) I get to drive a pretty rapid family car day to day but using 'man maths' can run a track car on the side.

What impresses me with both Porsche and Tesla as manufacturers is the rapid pace of change that they are both leading. Competition has to be good in terms of forcing Tesla to up their game, and Porsche to embrace the potential of these new technologies. Tesla's charging infrastructure is unique, and it will be a game changer for Porsche if and when they can create their own - or negotiate access to Tesla's network.