RE: Peugeot Sport 308 GTI 270 | Spotted

RE: Peugeot Sport 308 GTI 270 | Spotted

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ZX10R NIN

27,660 posts

126 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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These are very good cars but some don't get on with the cockpit apart from that there's no reason not to have one on your list if you're looking for a good hot hatch.

Ron99

1,985 posts

82 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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I tried one - a dealer demo - a few years ago when they first came out. The economy of a modest 1.6-litre engine when pootling about combined with the power of an old-skool 4-litre nat-asp engine when wanting to press on was appealing.

However, having everything on touchscreen was annoying and the turbo lag/throttle lag was awful. The headrests were also curiously shaped and uncomfortable.
Even in 1st gear the throttle lag/turbo lag was shocking below 1700rpm, making it downright dangerous to try to opportunistically dart into gaps in busy town traffic.

the_hood

771 posts

195 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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"It'll blend in way better than a Civic Type R,..."

It certainly blends in, a bit 'meh' looking for a hot hatch.

BFleming

3,615 posts

144 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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dirty doug said:
Rev counter goes the 'wrong' way...
Like any Aston, the new BMW clusters and a Fiat X1/9!

Although I've speed-read this thread, has anyone mentioned the odd (ghastly) 2 tone paint option? It's bizarre:


And the engine... it's the Prince engine co-developed with BMW, and notorious for eating timing chains in all its applications.

The instrument binnacle... odd too. I'm 6ft, and find that if I adjust the wheel to where I'm comfortable with it, it interfered somehow with the instruments. This is based on a rental I had last year, which also had the EGC gearbox. I didn't get on with the box at all, but that was before I switched my daily driver to be an auto. Something I'd maybe try again before I made up my mind.

Edited by BFleming on Wednesday 18th September 19:03

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,072 posts

99 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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In the car industry, good ideas are very quickly copied.
Rather like Jaguar's rotating gear selector, Alpina's nipple gear change, I have yet to see anyone copy Peugeot's small low steering wheel and suspect I never will. Can't imagine it has sold a single more car, but has put a fair few off. It's one of the many examples of the French being different just for difference sake. Pity.

MrGTI6

3,166 posts

131 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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I've driven the 270bhp version and I would echo what others have said. The touchscreen is really fiddly and distracting and the steering wheel is a bit marmite, but the rest of the car is phenomenally good. It feels so much quicker than the figures suggest. Once you get it off the line, the in-gear acceleration is hugely impressive. Hard to believe that it's just a 1.6!

Whilst it's priced below the Golf GTI, it actually has a better power-to-weight ratio than the Golf R and S3.

Reciprocating mass

6,030 posts

242 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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C70R said:
Presumably you missed the point where I said you could buy a Golf GTi (a better car by every measure other than horsepower) for the same money on Autotrader, and a year older Golf R for the same money again?
Personally I’d buy another Megane rs and drive with a big smug grin on my face knowing it’s 10 times the car a burger gti or r could ever be

burger81

249 posts

157 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Can't believe no one has mentioned it has massage seats at the front as standard.

Gotta love the French.

I test drove one a couple of years back but ended up getting the 208gti by Peugeot sport.

It really is a looker in the flesh, looks quite purposeful from the back with the dual exhausts and just that red lip at the front to give the game away.

Agree about the gear shift though, it felt loose and the gear knob was too big for my small hands. I bet you'd soon get used to it though.

I loved the tiny steering wheel, felt like a go kart and the seats had loads of adjustability so it was easy to get a good position.

Definitely a car not to be judged until driven I think.

GTEYE

2,099 posts

211 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Strange dash layout and rubbish touch screen infotainment irritate EVERY time you drive it. I had a bongo 308, and it was a pretty good drive, but the problems mentioned meant ultimately I couldn't wait to hand it back.

The things VW have absolutely nailed on the Golf (driving position, slick infotainment), Peugeot are light years off the mark.

Hence the used market hates them and values drop like a stone.

thenortherner

1,502 posts

164 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYAePHDMWwg&t=...

This shows what they're properly capable of at the ring.

I got rid of my year old 208 GTI, in part due to the crap aftersales experience and fragility of the car. It did its last gear change at 15,000 miles and was off the road for 6 weeks sat at the dealer whilst they arsed around with numerous repair attempts, finally replacing the gearbox. I sold it immediately afterwards.

Re. the THP engine. It felt strong and performance was good, as was economy when being sensible. But long-term, I'm not so sure. MINI dumped using this engine years ago, I suspect partly because of reliability issues from what I've read.

The 250 BHP version over the 270 doesn't use the larger Alcon brakes so wouldn't be so costly to run. Either way, dealers can't shift them and good deals were to be had when I considered upgrading to one 6 months ago. I wouldn't consider running one without an extended warranty though.

boozyjay

173 posts

67 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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GTEYE said:
Strange dash layout and rubbish touch screen infotainment irritate EVERY time you drive it. I had a bongo 308, and it was a pretty good drive, but the problems mentioned meant ultimately I couldn't wait to hand it back.

The things VW have absolutely nailed on the Golf (driving position, slick infotainment), Peugeot are light years off the mark.

Hence the used market hates them and values drop like a stone.
Which is why they make they make a great used by at this money. Yes the infotainment is frustrating but don't let that put you off what is a great underrated hot hatch - all for 13K!

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Reciprocating mass said:
C70R said:
Presumably you missed the point where I said you could buy a Golf GTi (a better car by every measure other than horsepower) for the same money on Autotrader, and a year older Golf R for the same money again?
Personally I’d buy another Megane rs and drive with a big smug grin on my face knowing it’s 10 times the car a burger gti or r could ever be
I agree completely, but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand - where the article compared a Golf and this thing. If you can't buy an identical Golf for the same money (even though I found similar ones), it suggests that the vast majority of the public tend to rate the Golf more highly.

Honestly, of those who slate "French car bashing" on PH, I bet none has spent significant time trying to get comfortable and use basic features in a typical modern French hatch. The French just don't understand how to design interiors - and it has nothing to do with the quality of materials.

I've driven a fair variety of cars, and the 308 is simply let down by basic ergonomics and usability. I didn't manage to gel with the interior over several drives, and that's VERY unusual for me, even in modern cars. My 2019 BMW is a dream, which took 20mins to get to grips with, by comparison.

I'm sure this 308 is a fine car when driven at 8/10ths and above. But for the remaining 98% of ownership, it struck me as a royal pain in the ass.

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Ron99 said:
I tried one - a dealer demo - a few years ago when they first came out. The economy of a modest 1.6-litre engine when pootling about combined with the power of an old-skool 4-litre nat-asp engine when wanting to press on was appealing.

However, having everything on touchscreen was annoying and the turbo lag/throttle lag was awful. The headrests were also curiously shaped and uncomfortable.
Even in 1st gear the throttle lag/turbo lag was shocking below 1700rpm, making it downright dangerous to try to opportunistically dart into gaps in busy town traffic.
PH collective wisdom will tell you that this is French "character", and that a Golf (which doesn't fail on these basic requirements of being a car) is "dull" by comparison.

It's classic PH. Just like when the car everyone here 'wants' is released, and nobody buys it. laugh

Court_S

13,024 posts

178 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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Hmmmm, these don’t really do anything for me. The interior really lets it down for me and the useless infotainment is hugely annoying especially in a daily car. I appreciate that they get good reviews from the likes of Evo but I stifle to find much to get excited about.

I’m no VAG fanboy but I do kind of get the Golf GTl fan base; they just seem to do everything well without being annoying.

Murphy16

254 posts

83 months

Wednesday 18th September 2019
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My other half has a 65 308 diesel I often use, so I can't comment on the performance side of it but the small wheel higher dials is quite cool, you do get used to it and I imagine with a good chassis and engine the little wheel would make it feel very flickable. The interior also feels well screwed together and is really comfortable on long trips. I do hate the touchscreen though, absolutely everything is done through it, I quite often adjust the climate controls on my commute as I'm a fussy bugger and it drives me mad. I can't see how having your eyes off the road for that long is safe at all.

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

98 months

Thursday 19th September 2019
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Nice looking car exterior wise. Absolutely terrible interior.

sideshowfred

89 posts

84 months

Thursday 19th September 2019
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BFleming said:
Like any Aston, the new BMW clusters and a Fiat X1/9!

Although I've speed-read this thread, has anyone mentioned the odd (ghastly) 2 tone paint option? It's bizarre:


And the engine... it's the Prince engine co-developed with BMW, and notorious for eating timing chains in all its applications.

The instrument binnacle... odd too. I'm 6ft, and find that if I adjust the wheel to where I'm comfortable with it, it interfered somehow with the instruments. This is based on a rental I had last year, which also had the EGC gearbox. I didn't get on with the box at all, but that was before I switched my daily driver to be an auto. Something I'd maybe try again before I made up my mind.

Edited by BFleming on Wednesday 18th September 19:03
I quite like the 2 tone paint, so much so that would be my preferred choice to own.

I feel like i need to go and drive one now to see if i can get on with the infotainment system and the small wheel/dials situation.

telecat

8,528 posts

242 months

Thursday 19th September 2019
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Looks revolting like any 308. Now that engine in a VXR Astra!!!!!

vtecyo

2,122 posts

130 months

Thursday 19th September 2019
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gigglebug said:
Do you think that they just get forgotten about when folks are drawing up a list of potential candidates?
As someone in that situation currently - yes, definitely.

Integrator_Type_R

49 posts

98 months

Thursday 19th September 2019
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I'm sure I read on these here forums that these have a weirdly specific and expensive spark plug requirement available only from dealer stealers? Or am I mis-remembering?