RE: Peugeot Sport 308 GTI 270 | Spotted
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sideshowfred said:
I quite like the 2 tone paint, so much so that would be my preferred choice to own.
I feel like i need to go and drive one now to see if i can get on with the infotainment system and the small wheel/dials situation.
Mines the two tone black and red. I like it, but it's all down to personal taste, I know plenty of people who don't!I feel like i need to go and drive one now to see if i can get on with the infotainment system and the small wheel/dials situation.
C70R said:
Reciprocating mass said:
C70R said:
Presumably you missed the point where I said you could buy a Golf GTi (a better car by every measure other than horsepower) for the same money on Autotrader, and a year older Golf R for the same money again?
Personally I’d buy another Megane rs and drive with a big smug grin on my face knowing it’s 10 times the car a burger gti or r could ever be Honestly, of those who slate "French car bashing" on PH, I bet none has spent significant time trying to get comfortable and use basic features in a typical modern French hatch. The French just don't understand how to design interiors - and it has nothing to do with the quality of materials.
I've driven a fair variety of cars, and the 308 is simply let down by basic ergonomics and usability. I didn't manage to gel with the interior over several drives, and that's VERY unusual for me, even in modern cars. My 2019 BMW is a dream, which took 20mins to get to grips with, by comparison.
I'm sure this 308 is a fine car when driven at 8/10ths and above. But for the remaining 98% of ownership, it struck me as a royal pain in the ass.
One is a hot hatch and one of the best in class and the other is a soulless BMW with a massive grill designed to get tax breaks for company car drivers.
I feel a lot of people on PH like to compare apples with a laptop and then moan that it's not as good.
Ah well I'll just enjoy my hot hatch and get on with my day with a smile on my face because I drive a fun car.
Matt Wills said:
Not wishing to be too mean a BMW plug in hybrid (why?) Is hardly a 10/19ths car so how on earth can you compare it to a 308 GTI?
One is a hot hatch and one of the best in class and the other is a soulless BMW with a massive grill designed to get tax breaks for company car drivers.
I feel a lot of people on PH like to compare apples with a laptop and then moan that it's not as good.
Ah well I'll just enjoy my hot hatch and get on with my day with a smile on my face because I drive a fun car.
I also have a fun car, but it's not as modern as the 308 so it didn't seem a fair comparison. My hybrid shares most of its interior bits with other modern BMWs (like the M240i), so it's representative of the how a modern car should be designed (even though it's not remotely sporty).One is a hot hatch and one of the best in class and the other is a soulless BMW with a massive grill designed to get tax breaks for company car drivers.
I feel a lot of people on PH like to compare apples with a laptop and then moan that it's not as good.
Ah well I'll just enjoy my hot hatch and get on with my day with a smile on my face because I drive a fun car.
You're falling into the classic 'evo review' trap. You probably spend 2% of your ownership driving at 8/10ths or above, where I'm sure the 308's many inadequacies are easy to ignore (I bet it's a hoot). But for the rest of the time, it's a pain in the backside, and you're still driving a modern Peugeot hatch.
If you were spending £14k on something to drive at 8/10ths and above all of the time, a FWD Peugeot hatch would be close to the bottom of the list.
If you were spending £14k on something to drive under 8/10ths all of the time, the 308 is a pain and would be close to the bottom of the list.
There are also other cars (like the Golf GTi or Megane RS) available for £14k which do much a better job of balancing the need to do both. And that is the reason why Peugeot sold so few 308 GTis in relative terms.
If you had £14k in your pocket, and you were looking for something different, and you could put up with its inadequacies, then I'm sure this is a fine car.
But let's not pretend it's something that it isn't.
Feel like some folks here are missing the point.
Of course a Golf or Focus is going to appeal to a wider range of buyers.
However, the fact that Peugeot have chosen to develop and bring to market a 270 bhp hatch weighing <1,300 kgs, with proper brakes and LSD, is something to be celebrated. Be glad this car exists in a market which is mostly defined by heavy and bland.
In a couple of years when available for four figures, these cars will make for a very tempting proposition.
Of course a Golf or Focus is going to appeal to a wider range of buyers.
However, the fact that Peugeot have chosen to develop and bring to market a 270 bhp hatch weighing <1,300 kgs, with proper brakes and LSD, is something to be celebrated. Be glad this car exists in a market which is mostly defined by heavy and bland.
In a couple of years when available for four figures, these cars will make for a very tempting proposition.
C70R said:
Matt Wills said:
Not wishing to be too mean a BMW plug in hybrid (why?) Is hardly a 10/19ths car so how on earth can you compare it to a 308 GTI?
One is a hot hatch and one of the best in class and the other is a soulless BMW with a massive grill designed to get tax breaks for company car drivers.
I feel a lot of people on PH like to compare apples with a laptop and then moan that it's not as good.
Ah well I'll just enjoy my hot hatch and get on with my day with a smile on my face because I drive a fun car.
I also have a fun car, but it's not as modern as the 308 so it didn't seem a fair comparison. My hybrid shares most of its interior bits with other modern BMWs (like the M240i), so it's representative of the how a modern car should be designed (even though it's not remotely sporty).One is a hot hatch and one of the best in class and the other is a soulless BMW with a massive grill designed to get tax breaks for company car drivers.
I feel a lot of people on PH like to compare apples with a laptop and then moan that it's not as good.
Ah well I'll just enjoy my hot hatch and get on with my day with a smile on my face because I drive a fun car.
You're falling into the classic 'evo review' trap. You probably spend 2% of your ownership driving at 8/10ths or above, where I'm sure the 308's many inadequacies are easy to ignore (I bet it's a hoot). But for the rest of the time, it's a pain in the backside, and you're still driving a modern Peugeot hatch.
If you were spending £14k on something to drive at 8/10ths and above all of the time, a FWD Peugeot hatch would be close to the bottom of the list.
If you were spending £14k on something to drive under 8/10ths all of the time, the 308 is a pain and would be close to the bottom of the list.
There are also other cars (like the Golf GTi or Megane RS) available for £14k which do much a better job of balancing the need to do both. And that is the reason why Peugeot sold so few 308 GTis in relative terms.
If you had £14k in your pocket, and you were looking for something different, and you could put up with its inadequacies, then I'm sure this is a fine car.
But let's not pretend it's something that it isn't.
The EVO 8/10ths comment is a bit patronising perhaps but it's just the norm on PH.
Matt Wills said:
C70R said:
Matt Wills said:
Not wishing to be too mean a BMW plug in hybrid (why?) Is hardly a 10/19ths car so how on earth can you compare it to a 308 GTI?
One is a hot hatch and one of the best in class and the other is a soulless BMW with a massive grill designed to get tax breaks for company car drivers.
I feel a lot of people on PH like to compare apples with a laptop and then moan that it's not as good.
Ah well I'll just enjoy my hot hatch and get on with my day with a smile on my face because I drive a fun car.
I also have a fun car, but it's not as modern as the 308 so it didn't seem a fair comparison. My hybrid shares most of its interior bits with other modern BMWs (like the M240i), so it's representative of the how a modern car should be designed (even though it's not remotely sporty).One is a hot hatch and one of the best in class and the other is a soulless BMW with a massive grill designed to get tax breaks for company car drivers.
I feel a lot of people on PH like to compare apples with a laptop and then moan that it's not as good.
Ah well I'll just enjoy my hot hatch and get on with my day with a smile on my face because I drive a fun car.
You're falling into the classic 'evo review' trap. You probably spend 2% of your ownership driving at 8/10ths or above, where I'm sure the 308's many inadequacies are easy to ignore (I bet it's a hoot). But for the rest of the time, it's a pain in the backside, and you're still driving a modern Peugeot hatch.
If you were spending £14k on something to drive at 8/10ths and above all of the time, a FWD Peugeot hatch would be close to the bottom of the list.
If you were spending £14k on something to drive under 8/10ths all of the time, the 308 is a pain and would be close to the bottom of the list.
There are also other cars (like the Golf GTi or Megane RS) available for £14k which do much a better job of balancing the need to do both. And that is the reason why Peugeot sold so few 308 GTis in relative terms.
If you had £14k in your pocket, and you were looking for something different, and you could put up with its inadequacies, then I'm sure this is a fine car.
But let's not pretend it's something that it isn't.
The EVO 8/10ths comment is a bit patronising perhaps but it's just the norm on PH.
Many people buy cars for that 8/10+ factor though as they want something that feels alive and might not be obsessed by interior plastics or seating position.
I'm willing to forgive a car for a few quirks if it can put a massive smile on my face.
Everybody is different though and has different priorities but we are all car people at heart.
I'm willing to forgive a car for a few quirks if it can put a massive smile on my face.
Everybody is different though and has different priorities but we are all car people at heart.
So many comments by people who trust what Clarkson says.
Did you know that Peugeot are the largest shareholders of Faurecia? Guess what, they make interiors for all sorts of companies, including VW, BMW, Mercedes etc. Peugeot don't tell their own company to build crap for itself but decent stuff for others.
If you read the Evo reviews they reckon it's one of the most exciting hot hatches, when you drive it hard. But it's very relaxing and easy to drive when not driving hard. Isn't that exactly the point of a hot hatch?
The steering wheel does take a few journeys too get used to it, hence people who have only driven the car a couple of times can find it odd, but once you've got used to it, it makes sense, makes many other cars feel like a bus, and the high set dials are in sight.
The car is more subtle looking that many of the current breed of hot hatches, but it's only the last few years that people think a hot hatch should look like a touring car. I much prefer the 80s and 90s idea when they were purposely just tweaked from the standard versions.
Peugeot top the JD power reliability survey, so the idea they fall apart is simply a myth.
Overall it's a fantastic all rounder of a car and at this price a bargain.
Yes, I am biased, I've had mine for 2 1/2 reliable years. It's a great comfy, practical, fun car.
Did you know that Peugeot are the largest shareholders of Faurecia? Guess what, they make interiors for all sorts of companies, including VW, BMW, Mercedes etc. Peugeot don't tell their own company to build crap for itself but decent stuff for others.
If you read the Evo reviews they reckon it's one of the most exciting hot hatches, when you drive it hard. But it's very relaxing and easy to drive when not driving hard. Isn't that exactly the point of a hot hatch?
The steering wheel does take a few journeys too get used to it, hence people who have only driven the car a couple of times can find it odd, but once you've got used to it, it makes sense, makes many other cars feel like a bus, and the high set dials are in sight.
The car is more subtle looking that many of the current breed of hot hatches, but it's only the last few years that people think a hot hatch should look like a touring car. I much prefer the 80s and 90s idea when they were purposely just tweaked from the standard versions.
Peugeot top the JD power reliability survey, so the idea they fall apart is simply a myth.
Overall it's a fantastic all rounder of a car and at this price a bargain.
Yes, I am biased, I've had mine for 2 1/2 reliable years. It's a great comfy, practical, fun car.
smuj1972 said:
Yes it’s quick, handles well and subtle looks to be commended. However, reliability is a major issue as the 1.6 engine is stressed at 200bhp in the 208gti and you can’t see the speedo due to the weird steering wheel set up. It was almost there...
The engine has been revised a lot to deal with the extra power.smuj1972 said:
Yes it’s quick, handles well and subtle looks to be commended. However, reliability is a major issue as the 1.6 engine is stressed at 200bhp in the 208gti and you can’t see the speedo due to the weird steering wheel set up. It was almost there...
Well mine hasn't put a foot wrong and the I can see the speedo clearly.boozyjay said:
flashbang said:
boozyjay said:
And the Alcon brake pads for the front cost me nearly £500.
Just for four pads?! C70R said:
…... You probably spend 2% of your ownership driving at 8/10ths or above, where I'm sure the 308's many inadequacies are easy to ignore (I bet it's a hoot). But for the rest of the time, it's a pain in the backside,....
Yes, having tried a 308GTi that's what it was like.Great fun and quick when driven like a getaway car, really annoying when driven normally due to the appalling turbo lag/throttle delay and having every dash button tucked away in some submenu on the touchscreen.
There's valid points on here for and against like every car on sale.
I live with mine day in day out (for two weeks at a time anyway) so I'm not going to give you a test drive verdict, holiday hire car verdict, my girlfriends car I've driven twice verdict...
I can only speak as I find. The car has been a pleasure to own the last year and a half. It's been reliable, the dealer has been a pleasure to deal with, if I want to tootle around town or commute on the motorway (which I do) it's comfortable and the ride is great. The interior has no rattles, it's well put together and (personally) I think it's a nice place to be. If I want to push on it's a great drivers car and I think it being light at the front and not nose heavy helps enormously. I also get 40MPG easily. It's so well equipped too.
I hear comments that the rev counter needle goes the wrong way. It's not Law that the rev counter has to go a certain way. It goes from zero to 7 like most cars and it's precise and clear. The cruise control buttons are a doddle to use (unlike like my Audi) and the massage seats are so comfortable to sit in and look great too. As I've said before I don't have a problem with the i-Cockpit and all the dials are clear to read, along with the trip computer - a doddle to use. All the other controls - wipers, washers, lights other buttons etc are simple and clear to use. Rear legroom isn't brilliant for a 5 door hatch but the front seats have something to do with that and I don't use the rears anyway. The boots also large and I also think the car looks good without being too in your face and there's not many about so it's a bit exclusive.
Downsides - not many but as I've mentioned, the infotainment is by far from the best, but again, you get used to it. If you leave it on heater controls it's easy, same with the radio, that's easy too. The two problems are the sat-nav which doesn't take postcodes only street addresses. At first it's a pain to use but you do get used to it. Once you do, the instructions and maps are clear and it gets to where you want to go no problem.The main issue is the phone, God knows what Peugeot where thinking but it's so user unfriendly, also the glove box is tiny, but apart from that I'm struggling to think of anything else. Oh yes, the pads were expensive but I knew that before I bought it, they are Alcon brakes so no surprise there. I've just had them changed so won't need them doing again.
It's not Golf GTI interior level but to be fair I don't think it's far off in quality but what is Golf GTI level? A45, RS3? look at the prices of those. I've recently sold my A45 and that (like nearly every car on sale) had little things that annoyed me (handbrake, cruise control, damper settings)
I've taken out a Peugeot extended warranty with Peugeot Assist that costs £300 for the year. I've had cars in the past that I've paid £1200 per year for the same sort of warranty. I'm hearing all these people saying the engine will have issues, I imagine most cars will as they get older and older, but mines got a full Peugeot service history, it has regular fluid changes and is serviced every year so what's the problem?
Would have I bought one new? no way, I knew they would drop like a stone but going back to the original post, these are now crazy money for what is still a current model. All I'm saying is if you are in the market for a decent hot hatch that's great to live with please don't discount it - especially at these prices now. I'm glad I didn't.
Anyway, got to get on with some work - just giving you my opinion of ownership!
I live with mine day in day out (for two weeks at a time anyway) so I'm not going to give you a test drive verdict, holiday hire car verdict, my girlfriends car I've driven twice verdict...
I can only speak as I find. The car has been a pleasure to own the last year and a half. It's been reliable, the dealer has been a pleasure to deal with, if I want to tootle around town or commute on the motorway (which I do) it's comfortable and the ride is great. The interior has no rattles, it's well put together and (personally) I think it's a nice place to be. If I want to push on it's a great drivers car and I think it being light at the front and not nose heavy helps enormously. I also get 40MPG easily. It's so well equipped too.
I hear comments that the rev counter needle goes the wrong way. It's not Law that the rev counter has to go a certain way. It goes from zero to 7 like most cars and it's precise and clear. The cruise control buttons are a doddle to use (unlike like my Audi) and the massage seats are so comfortable to sit in and look great too. As I've said before I don't have a problem with the i-Cockpit and all the dials are clear to read, along with the trip computer - a doddle to use. All the other controls - wipers, washers, lights other buttons etc are simple and clear to use. Rear legroom isn't brilliant for a 5 door hatch but the front seats have something to do with that and I don't use the rears anyway. The boots also large and I also think the car looks good without being too in your face and there's not many about so it's a bit exclusive.
Downsides - not many but as I've mentioned, the infotainment is by far from the best, but again, you get used to it. If you leave it on heater controls it's easy, same with the radio, that's easy too. The two problems are the sat-nav which doesn't take postcodes only street addresses. At first it's a pain to use but you do get used to it. Once you do, the instructions and maps are clear and it gets to where you want to go no problem.The main issue is the phone, God knows what Peugeot where thinking but it's so user unfriendly, also the glove box is tiny, but apart from that I'm struggling to think of anything else. Oh yes, the pads were expensive but I knew that before I bought it, they are Alcon brakes so no surprise there. I've just had them changed so won't need them doing again.
It's not Golf GTI interior level but to be fair I don't think it's far off in quality but what is Golf GTI level? A45, RS3? look at the prices of those. I've recently sold my A45 and that (like nearly every car on sale) had little things that annoyed me (handbrake, cruise control, damper settings)
I've taken out a Peugeot extended warranty with Peugeot Assist that costs £300 for the year. I've had cars in the past that I've paid £1200 per year for the same sort of warranty. I'm hearing all these people saying the engine will have issues, I imagine most cars will as they get older and older, but mines got a full Peugeot service history, it has regular fluid changes and is serviced every year so what's the problem?
Would have I bought one new? no way, I knew they would drop like a stone but going back to the original post, these are now crazy money for what is still a current model. All I'm saying is if you are in the market for a decent hot hatch that's great to live with please don't discount it - especially at these prices now. I'm glad I didn't.
Anyway, got to get on with some work - just giving you my opinion of ownership!
Edited by boozyjay on Friday 20th September 08:49
Edited by boozyjay on Friday 20th September 08:50
Edited by boozyjay on Friday 20th September 08:54
Edited by boozyjay on Friday 20th September 09:01
Ron99 said:
Yes, having tried a 308GTi that's what it was like.
Great fun and quick when driven like a getaway car, really annoying when driven normally due to the appalling turbo lag/throttle delay and having every dash button tucked away in some submenu on the touchscreen.
Appalling turbo lag/ Throttle delay? You must have driven one with a fault. I have none of those issues.Great fun and quick when driven like a getaway car, really annoying when driven normally due to the appalling turbo lag/throttle delay and having every dash button tucked away in some submenu on the touchscreen.
Having every dash button tucked away in some sub-menu? That's not true.
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