RE: Porsche Cayman GT4 RS set for 450hp

[AndrewNR]

J2daG1990 said:

Slightly off topic, but I've been looking at the Gen 1 GT4s and a few at around 70k mark...

Realistically how much would you have to put down and pay monthly to own one if you didn't have 70k just to throw away in one go?

More than you can afford, pal. Limited edition.

Can't really answer your question without knowing:
Deposit contribution
Length of term on finance
Etc., etc.

I mean worst case scenario you get a 70k loan out...

[Sandpit Steve]

J2daG1990 said:

Slightly off topic, but I've been looking at the Gen 1 GT4s and a few at around 70k mark...

Realistically how much would you have to put down and pay monthly to own one if you didn't have 70k just to throw away in one go?

Depends on the bank I guess.

The car is pretty much the same price now as it was new 4 years ago, so maybe you can persuade them that it will hold its value in the same way as previous GT cars have, leading to a longer loan term and smaller deposit.

20% deposit and five year term at 5% for a £75k car means £15k down and £1276 a month.

[skidskid]

PhantomPH said:

Doesn't fitting boxy camp to aero parts, pretty much defeat the object somewhat? (Not saying you're wrong, by the way - just pointing out the daftness of testing at a track, only to compromise the aero)

And if the idea is that it doesn't matter that much...why have the wing mounts in this new 'hanging' way, as opposed to the tried and tested GT lineage?

You could say the same about any camo. I would guess its been tested with them off to validate the improvement and only public outings have them fitted. As for the mounts, I'd argue its as much to do with linking it to the latest racing cars than downforce improvements.

[WCZ]

gregf40mark2 said:

I contacted Ultima to order an RS. They aren't taking orders for factory built cars.

they've been overhwhelmed with interest on the car, the lack of availibility of gt porsches, lotuses costing £100k+ and ferrari even more has contributed to it

the performance of the rs will be absolutely nuts

[macky17]

The question is, will they finally fix the overlong gear ratios?

[GroundEffect]

PhantomPH said:

skidskid said:

RacerMike said:

Yet again (as per the Taycan thread) I'm astounded that people don't realise it's camo! There's big boxy bits of plastic over the actual mounts to hide them....as per the 992 GT3 prototypes.

I've already said that but everyones ignoring it because it doesnt fit the narrative. At least its funny reading people getting mad at how a test mule with camo panels fitted looks.

Doesn't fitting boxy camp to aero parts, pretty much defeat the object somewhat? (Not saying you're wrong, by the way - just pointing out the daftness of testing at a track, only to compromise the aero)

And if the idea is that it doesn't matter that much...why have the wing mounts in this new 'hanging' way, as opposed to the tried and tested GT lineage?

Swan neck wings have been the default for GT racing cars for a decade. They're more efficient - the underside of the wing works harder therefore makes sense to get the mounts out of that area as much as possible. Directionally better. Of course, not by much - this is all relative.

[Miserablegit]

macky17 said:

The question is, will they finally fix the overlong gear ratios?

Yes because they are only PDK according to the article. The gearing issue only relates to the manual gearbox

[RacerMike]

J2daG1990 said:

Slightly off topic, but I've been looking at the Gen 1 GT4s and a few at around 70k mark...

Realistically how much would you have to put down and pay monthly to own one if you didn't have 70k just to throw away in one go?

I’m on a 12% deposit, around 6% apr and under £600 a month. Strong residuals help, so it was cheaper on finance than a 981 GTS!

[anonymous-user]

Love the idea, but will you be able to, you know, actually buy one?

[macky17]

Miserablegit said:

macky17 said:

The question is, will they finally fix the overlong gear ratios?

Yes because they are only PDK according to the article. The gearing issue only relates to the manual gearbox

Bloody hell. Admittedly I only scanned it. Now I don’t feel so bad I’ll never own one. Why is no one complaining about that? Regular gt4 even with the long gears please.

[130R]

macky17 said:

Bloody hell. Admittedly I only scanned it. Now I don’t feel so bad I’ll never own one. Why is no one complaining about that? Regular gt4 even with the long gears please.

Because 99% of people would spec PDK in an RS model Porsche

[macky17]

130R said:

macky17 said:

Bloody hell. Admittedly I only scanned it. Now I don’t feel so bad I’ll never own one. Why is no one complaining about that? Regular gt4 even with the long gears please.

Because 99% of people would spec PDK in an RS model Porsche

99%? Really? You mean of the ones who can’t drive?

[PhantomPH]

macky17 said:

130R said:

macky17 said:

Bloody hell. Admittedly I only scanned it. Now I don’t feel so bad I’ll never own one. Why is no one complaining about that? Regular gt4 even with the long gears please.

Because 99% of people would spec PDK in an RS model Porsche

99%? Really? You mean of the ones who can’t drive?

Yeah, that's why they use manual gears in all top-tier motorsport as well...manual only because 'drivers'. :|

[PhantomPH]

GroundEffect said:

PhantomPH said:

skidskid said:

RacerMike said:

Yet again (as per the Taycan thread) I'm astounded that people don't realise it's camo! There's big boxy bits of plastic over the actual mounts to hide them....as per the 992 GT3 prototypes.

I've already said that but everyones ignoring it because it doesnt fit the narrative. At least its funny reading people getting mad at how a test mule with camo panels fitted looks.

Doesn't fitting boxy camp to aero parts, pretty much defeat the object somewhat? (Not saying you're wrong, by the way - just pointing out the daftness of testing at a track, only to compromise the aero)

And if the idea is that it doesn't matter that much...why have the wing mounts in this new 'hanging' way, as opposed to the tried and tested GT lineage?

Swan neck wings have been the default for GT racing cars for a decade. They're more efficient - the underside of the wing works harder therefore makes sense to get the mounts out of that area as much as possible. Directionally better. Of course, not by much - this is all relative.

Sweet, thank you!

[PhantomPH]

RacerMike said:

J2daG1990 said:

Slightly off topic, but I've been looking at the Gen 1 GT4s and a few at around 70k mark...

Realistically how much would you have to put down and pay monthly to own one if you didn't have 70k just to throw away in one go?

I’m on a 12% deposit, around 6% apr and under £600 a month. Strong residuals help, so it was cheaper on finance than a 981 GTS!

Really? Wow, that's better than I was paying for my 718S. Which company did you go through - for a used GT4 981, yes? (DM is fine if you'd rather not say on here).

[AJB88]

Rsx Boy said:

I stood in my OPC 2 years ago aside my 997.1 GT3 and asked the salesman if I could have an upcoming manual new gen GT3 if/when it comes out......the response from the salesman was " what is your purchase history with us Sir "....... I got my coat.

You probably may as well get yours.......

I asked the sales guy at my OPC who I bought my Cayman S off what was the criteria for buying a GT4, his response was exactly the same, you need about 5-6 car history with them, one customer had recently bought a fair few cars just to get on the list, he said with the depreciation he had lost he might as well of just bought a Cayman GT4 straight from a grey market chap.

[Kubevoid]

Sharkwerks offer a close ratio gear set for the GT4. Far from cheap, but a great solution. Also if you want the ultimate... They also drop in the 500bhp GT3 engine. Will make the new OPC offering look a tad limp...

https://www.sharkwerks.com/transmission/p4727-shar...

Alternatively there are LS V8 swaps for them now. If you fancy a rolling thunder soundtrack and 650bhp. The advantage would be using a cheaper base model Cayman. Options for those with a lower budget, or don't plan on buying a dozen cars per year from their OPC just to get on a list.

Edited by Kubevoid on Saturday 21st September 08:51

[macky17]

PhantomPH said:

macky17 said:

130R said:

macky17 said:

Bloody hell. Admittedly I only scanned it. Now I don’t feel so bad I’ll never own one. Why is no one complaining about that? Regular gt4 even with the long gears please.

Because 99% of people would spec PDK in an RS model Porsche

99%? Really? You mean of the ones who can’t drive?

Yeah, that's why they use manual gears in all top-tier motorsport as well...manual only because 'drivers'. :

They use automatic boxes because when it comes to motorsport, involvement and fun are secondary to absolute competitive pace. Totally different to a regular joe buying a toy.

Sorry, I appear to have wandered onto mum's net. My mistake.

[PhantomPH]

macky17 said:

PhantomPH said:

macky17 said:

130R said:

macky17 said:

Bloody hell. Admittedly I only scanned it. Now I don’t feel so bad I’ll never own one. Why is no one complaining about that? Regular gt4 even with the long gears please.

Because 99% of people would spec PDK in an RS model Porsche

99%? Really? You mean of the ones who can’t drive?

Yeah, that's why they use manual gears in all top-tier motorsport as well...manual only because 'drivers'. :

They use automatic boxes because when it comes to motorsport, involvement and fun are secondary to absolute competitive pace. Totally different to a regular joe buying a toy.

Sorry, I appear to have wandered onto mum's net. My mistake.

At the risk of feeding you, that's some proper ste right there. Your direct implication was that if someone specified a PDK box in their GTRS they couldn't drive. Now you're claiming that a 'regular Joe' would not want a PDK because they are not fun in any way?

bks.

I've tracked manual AND PDK Porsches and on neither occasion did I have 'less/more fun and involvement'. In fact if I was absolutely honest, I always had the thought in the back of my mind, that if I fluffed a down change in the manual, I was going to lunch the gearbox/clutch/engine - and that really would have been a lot less fun.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate you have your opinion and I have mine - merely pointing out that your idea of fun and your requirements when you order your GTRS product, do not diminish anyone else choices or driving ability. Crazy, eh?!

ETA - to be honestly fair about it, as a regular Joe, the PDK is a much better option for me regardless. It's a much simpler thing for any commuting/traffic - let the car do the work and relax - and on track I can focus on lines, approach speeds, braking, other cars, the usual track day Track Kings who blare around like they have something to prove...you just have a lot going on on a track day. Being able to paddle shift adds to the enjoyment I get from doing that. That being said, my Dad tracks an MX-5 and the box in that is an absolute peach, so I admit to being a bit jealous of it on occasion...but at the end of the day I can relax and drive home in 'D' and he still has work to do. Ha ha.

Edited by PhantomPH on Saturday 21st September 09:55

[Venisonpie]

Miserablegit said:

macky17 said:

The question is, will they finally fix the overlong gear ratios?

Yes because they are only PDK according to the article. The gearing issue only relates to the manual gearbox

I'm not sure I entirely agree with that, the PDK ratios whilst an improvement over the manual are still long for road use IMO. It would be a deal breaker for me on any Porsche at the moment.