RE: Porsche Taycan | Driven
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NDNDNDND said:
And all massively more expensive than their ICE counterparts. The problem with EVs is the numbers don't really stack up. I was trying to persuade my Mum to buy an EV, as her usage profile fits an EV perfectly - low miles and infrequent use. However the cost of a comparable EV completely outstrips an ICE car, and she doesn't do enough miles to compensate by being cheaper to run.
Still, I guess cost is a bit irrelevant on a thread about a zeitgeist-y Porsche.
its still very very early days for EV car production and sales, in terms of EV up take up i would say we are at the point of the bell curve where the long almost straight part intersects with the curve as it starts to go up rapidly Still, I guess cost is a bit irrelevant on a thread about a zeitgeist-y Porsche.
as to the cost it depends on your motivation, if its purely to save money then no they may not make sense (although mine is about £300 a month cheaper). But if your concerned about the environment, about using the finite amount of oil left more sensibly, breaking the political power of big oil or just don't want to give a bunch of lunatics or oppressive states billions of dollars there may be merit to it
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Friday 27th September 08:53
British Beef said:
A hot hatch, sports coupe or saloon or all out sports car, have nothing to fear from these things for the few of us that enjoy driving.
On the Porsche, makes me laugh they bring a car to market 5 years after Tesla, that is still slower, shorter range and more expensive and have the balls to somehow claim they are breaking new ground. JOKE!!
try a model 3, I find it vastly more fun than my A45, more fun than the M4 i drove, the 240i and a 100 times more fun than a golf r infact most modern highly insulated performance cars On the Porsche, makes me laugh they bring a car to market 5 years after Tesla, that is still slower, shorter range and more expensive and have the balls to somehow claim they are breaking new ground. JOKE!!
ICE cars power and drive train just feels so slow and antique in comparison
the Taycan can use all of its power constantly all day with no thermal throttling issues, something i think only the model 3 can match, the S certainly can not
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Friday 27th September 09:00
British Beef said:
In the last 2 weeks I have spent many hours in the EV cars, the Tesla P100, the Jaguar E pace and the Audi E Tron. All are hugely impressive, hugely expensive and just huge!!
On the Porsche, makes me laugh they bring a car to market 5 years after Tesla, that is still slower, shorter range and more expensive and have the balls to somehow claim they are breaking new ground. JOKE!!
You really should have tried the I Pace, by all accounts a significantly better drive than the E Pace.On the Porsche, makes me laugh they bring a car to market 5 years after Tesla, that is still slower, shorter range and more expensive and have the balls to somehow claim they are breaking new ground. JOKE!!
I take your point on the Taycan though, it's way too big and makes the M3 P look like something of a bargain.
I'm struggling to see past the Supercharger network.
E65Ross said:
But it's hardly a fair comparison comparing 2nd hand with new, when there won't be many 2nd hand EVs on the market yet. In 10 years time there will be more and the prices will begin to drop. I think another interesting thing is that running costs for EVs should be lower.....using the example of the V8 M3, there will be no throttle bodies to replace at approx £1000.
High performance ICEs tend to have high running costs. Eventually they depreciate to the point where most of the market for cars at that price point can't afford to run them, which keeps pushing the depreciation. It will be interesting to see what happens to EVs in that respect, given that they are characterised by high purchase costs and low running costs.FeelingLucky said:
British Beef said:
In the last 2 weeks I have spent many hours in the EV cars, the Tesla P100, the Jaguar E pace and the Audi E Tron. All are hugely impressive, hugely expensive and just huge!!
On the Porsche, makes me laugh they bring a car to market 5 years after Tesla, that is still slower, shorter range and more expensive and have the balls to somehow claim they are breaking new ground. JOKE!!
You really should have tried the I Pace, by all accounts a significantly better drive than the E Pace.On the Porsche, makes me laugh they bring a car to market 5 years after Tesla, that is still slower, shorter range and more expensive and have the balls to somehow claim they are breaking new ground. JOKE!!
I take your point on the Taycan though, it's way too big and makes the M3 P look like something of a bargain.
I'm struggling to see past the Supercharger network.
J4CKO said:
Ten years down the line, this is going to look very outmoded, Porsche arent known for resting on their laurels (except 911 styling to a point)
So what? Every currently available supersaloon is going to look very outmoded in 2029. That's just an argument for never actually buying a car, unless (like me) you generally prefer outmoded ones Edited by Lowtimer on Friday 27th September 13:29
Terminator X said:
sidesauce said:
W12GT said:
Pre orders mean nothing - because a lot of these will have been speculative.
Porsche will sell every single one they can make. And then some.TX.
Europe - given the potential for a massive recession also doubtful. The late 80’s early 90’s crash saw Porsche become very unfavourable!
UAE- can’t see them wanting EV.
China and Russia - possibly but again they aren’t into saving the planet plus the extreme hot or cold isn’t good for EV.
Might sell some on finance in the UK but the residuals on EVs are risky so they’ll have a pessimistic residual value - I’m guessing £1200-1500 a month over 4 years? That won’t appeal to a lot of people with a painful Brexit looming overhead.
DonkeyApple said:
I suspect they will sell in locations of higher average income with urban ICE restrictions and favourable EV taxation.
There are quite a few such cities in Europe where this will work out a better choice than a similar initial cost 2 ton ICE.
Funny you should mention that; at almost all the private schools within a decent travel time of us there are ALOT of i3’s - in fact the only EV you see with the exception of the odd iPace. This is where you will often find the sensible people with money; the parents still have very nice cars but they are always either something very flash and different or a proper wagon with a lot of luggage space that’s for the weekend. This car falls into none of those categories- oh and did I mention it’s damn ugly.There are quite a few such cities in Europe where this will work out a better choice than a similar initial cost 2 ton ICE.
Edited by W12GT on Saturday 28th September 17:53
RDMcG said:
nice to seei will be ringing my porsche dealer on my OHs phone ordering one whilst the lotto person is telling me how much i won lol
Dave Hedgehog said:
RDMcG said:
nice to seei will be ringing my porsche dealer on my OHs phone ordering one whilst the lotto person is telling me how much i won lol
I expect that they will sell as many as they can make, even a cheaper faster Model S won't make that much of a difference as Porsche currently sell the Panamera against cheaper faster opposition.
Talksteer said:
Porsche sell 38,000 Panamera a year, the Taycan is functionally equivalent and also currently a unique proposition in segment.
I expect that they will sell as many as they can make, even a cheaper faster Model S won't make that much of a difference as Porsche currently sell the Panamera against cheaper faster opposition.
I’ve placed an order for two of the Turbo S, and am in the process of rejecting my Model SI expect that they will sell as many as they can make, even a cheaper faster Model S won't make that much of a difference as Porsche currently sell the Panamera against cheaper faster opposition.
I’m fully aware that I might end up regretting the decision, but it feels like now is not a bad time to be a slightly late “early adopter.”
I like how electric cars are to drive, I like how Porsches feel, and I love coming down to the garage on a weekend to find that the car is fully topped-up and ready to go.
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