RE: Porsche Taycan | Driven
Discussion
Chr1sch said:
I find the range and infrastructure argument a curious one......we own an i3, we've had it for 3 years, not once have we come close to running out of range. You buy an `EV for a purpose, and for the i3 that was a to b in comfort, using no petrol when sat in traffic and enjoying a turn of pace when needed. Needles to say the wife loves it more than any previous car owned. Now that said, would i recommend it for a motorway commute, absolutely not, would i take it to cornwall, no i'd have to charge at least once, so we have another car to serve that purpose....but thats no different to any other car, if i had a 911, a Corsa or other small or sporty car, i wouldnt try to go to cornwall with the family either...
I have a much bigger issue with the new crop of electric cars. I have a Golf R, I want to go electric for my 70 mile a day commute.....BUT my Golf costs me £380 a month, and roughly the same again in fuel. I cannot get into an iPace, Model 3, or similar (in a spec i'd actually tolerate) for anywhere near that money AND electric cars are more to insure, over 40k so you pay tax, AND don't forget unlike the i3's tiny battery, the iPace for example has a monster battery and as a result is circa £13-15 a charge, meaning for me, i'd be looking at a minimum of £75-£100 a month of charging costs.
Unless you want to drive a space ship looking, nasty quality electric car like a Kona/Leaf etc, for me they make no financial sense at all. Sad really, appetite is there, the cars aren't.
Hit the nail on the head for me. Just out of curiosity, spent 4 days driving around Holland, Tesla 3 , X and S's and electric Golf's all over the place. Are they a lot cheaper on the continent? I have a much bigger issue with the new crop of electric cars. I have a Golf R, I want to go electric for my 70 mile a day commute.....BUT my Golf costs me £380 a month, and roughly the same again in fuel. I cannot get into an iPace, Model 3, or similar (in a spec i'd actually tolerate) for anywhere near that money AND electric cars are more to insure, over 40k so you pay tax, AND don't forget unlike the i3's tiny battery, the iPace for example has a monster battery and as a result is circa £13-15 a charge, meaning for me, i'd be looking at a minimum of £75-£100 a month of charging costs.
Unless you want to drive a space ship looking, nasty quality electric car like a Kona/Leaf etc, for me they make no financial sense at all. Sad really, appetite is there, the cars aren't.
for the Turbo S moniker from me. Ready the motorist for a bland grey world ...
yonex said:
The first desirable EV?
It makes a Tesla look a bit daft in the quality stakes. The only blot is putting a 'turbo' badge on the back, that seems a bit naff?
You have sat in a Taycan?It makes a Tesla look a bit daft in the quality stakes. The only blot is putting a 'turbo' badge on the back, that seems a bit naff?
I drove a Model 3 a few weeks ago and the interior was perfectly fine particularly against a comparable priced vehicle, it really falls into the category of nit picking. It was perfectly comparable with my M6 though with substantially more surprise and delight features in the UI.
In terms of longevity the Tesla battery is proven, there are 500,000 mile + vehicles that have been charged only on superchargers and have lost negligible capacity, the Taycan is using an inferior and less well proven technology (pouch cells) and then charging these at a faster rate (in absolute kwh terms only, you get more range per minute charging in a Tesla) .
Depends what quality is more important to you.
The credit to Porsche is that they have successfully created a vehicle which allows them to be favourably compared to Tesla despite the fact that in aggregate their electric drive line technology is inferior.
That said I think this will be a success, they plan to sell this is comparable volumes to the Panamera, I think they will succeed in this matter, existing Panamera customers will probably convert and it will draw plenty of non Porsche customers from comparable vehicles.
Now that is what you call an electric car!
Not sure about the turbo S bit 😅
The future is coming, and these are still very much the early days.
As much as I love petrol and hearing proper engines (like a Lambo v12 on full chatter), this is the future whether we all like it or not...
Not sure about the turbo S bit 😅
The future is coming, and these are still very much the early days.
As much as I love petrol and hearing proper engines (like a Lambo v12 on full chatter), this is the future whether we all like it or not...
Talksteer said:
That said I think this will be a success, they plan to sell this is comparable volumes to the Panamera, I think they will succeed in this matter, existing Panamera customers will probably convert and it will draw plenty of non Porsche customers from comparable vehicles.
I have a 2018 Panamera Turbo, and before I bought it I did think about waiting for the Taycan. My sense was that I wanted to have another shot at a big V8 before they eventually go away. Glad I made the decision. In five years time I will see, but for now am very happy with the Panamera.RDMcG said:
Talksteer said:
That said I think this will be a success, they plan to sell this is comparable volumes to the Panamera, I think they will succeed in this matter, existing Panamera customers will probably convert and it will draw plenty of non Porsche customers from comparable vehicles.
I have a 2018 Panamera Turbo, and before I bought it I did think about waiting for the Taycan. My sense was that I wanted to have another shot at a big V8 before they eventually go away. Glad I made the decision. In five years time I will see, but for now am very happy with the Panamera.Is it just me who thinks making the Macan electric powered will remove the preconception that the base model is a poor relation due to its 4 cylinder engine?
Talksteer said:
You have sat in a Taycan?
I drove a Model 3 a few weeks ago and the interior was perfectly fine particularly against a comparable priced vehicle, it really falls into the category of nit picking. It was perfectly comparable with my M6 though with substantially more surprise and delight features in the UI.
In terms of longevity the Tesla battery is proven, there are 500,000 mile + vehicles that have been charged only on superchargers and have lost negligible capacity, the Taycan is using an inferior and less well proven technology (pouch cells) and then charging these at a faster rate (in absolute kwh terms only, you get more range per minute charging in a Tesla) .
Depends what quality is more important to you.
The credit to Porsche is that they have successfully created a vehicle which allows them to be favourably compared to Tesla despite the fact that in aggregate their electric drive line technology is inferior.
That said I think this will be a success, they plan to sell this is comparable volumes to the Panamera, I think they will succeed in this matter, existing Panamera customers will probably convert and it will draw plenty of non Porsche customers from comparable vehicles.
I had a very good look at a Model X this weekend. The general fit and finish was pretty average, acceptable for a £20K car but not much better. The plastics around the cabin were cheap, rear seats, not impressed. If you’ve owned a premium product it’s annoying to look at certain things which aren’t, especially when there is no actual character to differentiate anything. I drove a Model 3 a few weeks ago and the interior was perfectly fine particularly against a comparable priced vehicle, it really falls into the category of nit picking. It was perfectly comparable with my M6 though with substantially more surprise and delight features in the UI.
In terms of longevity the Tesla battery is proven, there are 500,000 mile + vehicles that have been charged only on superchargers and have lost negligible capacity, the Taycan is using an inferior and less well proven technology (pouch cells) and then charging these at a faster rate (in absolute kwh terms only, you get more range per minute charging in a Tesla) .
Depends what quality is more important to you.
The credit to Porsche is that they have successfully created a vehicle which allows them to be favourably compared to Tesla despite the fact that in aggregate their electric drive line technology is inferior.
That said I think this will be a success, they plan to sell this is comparable volumes to the Panamera, I think they will succeed in this matter, existing Panamera customers will probably convert and it will draw plenty of non Porsche customers from comparable vehicles.
I’d spend the extra personally as I really dislike the Tesla styling, plus I have zero faith they will actually exist as a car company in the near future.
It was always going to happen, the next gen EV from Porsche etc will be ‘enough’ for most people and the childish marketing and ‘ludicrous’ nonsense will wear thin with buyers. Tesla will become a tech supplier, more likely though their people will be poached.
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