RE: BMW M135i | Driven
Discussion
Roma101 said:
I saw one of these in grey at the local dealer today. I must say, I rather liked it. Cliche alert - to my eyes, it is much better looking in the flesh. Or perhaps the darker colour suits it better. Interior is night and day better than old 1 series. And, a tall adult can actual sit in the rear seats!
I have a 140i at the moment btw. The problem with the 140 (for me) is that it has a split personality. One day it feels horrible. The next you get in it, drive it 5 mins and think “ I love this car”.
Would I change? I would certainly have a test drive. But I have turned into a bit of an engine snob nowadays and only want a six cylinder or above!
TangentI have a 140i at the moment btw. The problem with the 140 (for me) is that it has a split personality. One day it feels horrible. The next you get in it, drive it 5 mins and think “ I love this car”.
Would I change? I would certainly have a test drive. But I have turned into a bit of an engine snob nowadays and only want a six cylinder or above!
There has been much more of a change between the new/old M135i and the E30 M3/E36 M3 but thinking back to the letters in mags at that time your comments made me smile
Saw one outside the local dealer the other day, it reminded me of when I first saw 7th gen Civic in terms of the surprising change in stance.
Yes I think it is, Clubman the heavier car though, I would also like to see this comparison.
Surely the A35 blows both out of the water though, I don't think the BMW is hideous but the Merc is a nice looking car and cheaper?
JackReacher said:
blue al said:
Like to see a test against the same platform jcw mini
History suggests the bmw will end being cheaper to buy or lease due to the discounts
I was wondering this, is it exactly the same drivetrain and chassis as the mini clubman JCW?History suggests the bmw will end being cheaper to buy or lease due to the discounts
Surely the A35 blows both out of the water though, I don't think the BMW is hideous but the Merc is a nice looking car and cheaper?
Annoyingly I bet this new model won't be any better on fuel than the outgoing one either.
Recently had use of a 630i as a courtesy car while my 440i was in. Even when driven carefully it barely managed to scrape 2-3mpg more along the same route. I know the 6 is heavier, but not by an enormous amount ... I expected better when sacrificing 2 cylinders, 100bhp, and a load of torque and character.
With the '35i engine being in an even higher state of tune / stress, I can't see it much better on fuel, just lighter with lower emissions.
That said, with the new m340i starting at £50kish and recently becoming a dog owner so needing some practicality, this might tick some boxes when my current deal ends.
Recently had use of a 630i as a courtesy car while my 440i was in. Even when driven carefully it barely managed to scrape 2-3mpg more along the same route. I know the 6 is heavier, but not by an enormous amount ... I expected better when sacrificing 2 cylinders, 100bhp, and a load of torque and character.
With the '35i engine being in an even higher state of tune / stress, I can't see it much better on fuel, just lighter with lower emissions.
That said, with the new m340i starting at £50kish and recently becoming a dog owner so needing some practicality, this might tick some boxes when my current deal ends.
T1berious said:
isn't this more a victim of reduced costs and platform sharing rather than BMW scalping a halo model? Truth is the bread and butter 1 series was an entry point and appealing to a younger market. Like every manufacturer they make a "spicy" version and in the M140 created a flawed but unique cult hero.
Alas they now share a platform that due to packaging could never be a big 6 and the rest of that market has gone 4wd years ago.
Be interesting to see what they do with the next 2 series / M2. I hope it doesn't try to mimic the A45 and remains rwd and powered by a turbo 6.
This new car will be a big seller due to the car addressing many of the issues from the previous model, well until the new Golf R comes out.
I think that’s the biggest reason. The likes of VAG are masters of economies of scales, selling hat is more or less the same car at varying price points.Alas they now share a platform that due to packaging could never be a big 6 and the rest of that market has gone 4wd years ago.
Be interesting to see what they do with the next 2 series / M2. I hope it doesn't try to mimic the A45 and remains rwd and powered by a turbo 6.
This new car will be a big seller due to the car addressing many of the issues from the previous model, well until the new Golf R comes out.
It brings the BMW and MINI brands closer, saving both cash in the process. I doubt many 1 series buyers care for rear wheel drive and for many it’s off-putting. There still seems to be a mentality that RWD cars will kill you in the slightest bit of rain / snow, even amongst those that want e faster versions.
I don't why everyone's crowing about the M140i it had a nice engine but that was about nothing else was a stand out feature neither handling, looks or interior. And lets face it the 1er was widely derided on here for years as gopping so no change there, on these pages every new BMW is derided against the previous one that was also derided for the same reasons (rinse and repeat)
I doubt anyone on here has driven the new car but if it follows the trend of the G chassis cars being so far, much better to drive than the F chassis, I suspect this will beat the M140i in all areas.
I doubt anyone on here has driven the new car but if it follows the trend of the G chassis cars being so far, much better to drive than the F chassis, I suspect this will beat the M140i in all areas.
Wills2 said:
I doubt anyone on here has driven the new car but if it follows the trend of the G chassis cars being so far, much better to drive than the F chassis, I suspect this will beat the M140i in all areas.
The engine and gearbox are the obvious areas where the new car is demonstrable not as good, but the drivetrain moving to FWD is something that differs from the other F generation to G generation models. The 3 and 5 series retain the correct drivetrain layout and improve on it.Where to begin....
I'm an M140i owner, it's a great car and I've loved owning it. The engine is perfect but it struggles to stay composed on a B road blast, I'm lucky to have a 30 mile commute to work, with various road options when the mood suits, and pushing it just ends up bouncing me along the road or struggling for grip.
Now, the new M135i arrives, and I was initially worried, less power, no 6 cylinder, 4WD, may as well buy a Golf R. But I've seen a few press cars in the flesh near me, and in grey it looks superb, even the blue is nice. I'll reserve judgement til I drive it, but I'll listen to auto journalists over someone saying gopping for the sake of easy laughs.
I'm an M140i owner, it's a great car and I've loved owning it. The engine is perfect but it struggles to stay composed on a B road blast, I'm lucky to have a 30 mile commute to work, with various road options when the mood suits, and pushing it just ends up bouncing me along the road or struggling for grip.
Now, the new M135i arrives, and I was initially worried, less power, no 6 cylinder, 4WD, may as well buy a Golf R. But I've seen a few press cars in the flesh near me, and in grey it looks superb, even the blue is nice. I'll reserve judgement til I drive it, but I'll listen to auto journalists over someone saying gopping for the sake of easy laughs.
DukeDickson said:
Kermit74 said:
I think you'll find this IS directly replacing the M140i Mr motoring author, unless they are still going to continue to make the old model too....
It is an S3/AMG 35 in size 11 shoes.There will doubtless be a 140 equivalent to apparently match the alternatives & it will be there or thereabouts on the power front, but when an RS3 or TT-RS suddenly looks quite attractive, or you prefer the older model, something isn't quite right.
I don't quite get manufacturers giving up their USPs
, but they all seem to be desperate to do so. Next I'll have to buy an iPhone or face death
.When the first pictures came out I thought it looked bad, but you know how these things go, no-one likes the new stuff and then a while later we all get used to it and "its not that bad really...", but I've seen these things in the metal and frankly the first opinion is going to stick I think.
The swage line in the sides and the way it rises reminds me of the first A class merc, the back is a squashed SUV, the way the front is pulled back reminds me of some old hag tying her hair tight to get a facelift. The hump in the bonnet looks wrong. Whatever angle I look at it its just a mess.
For all the abuse the F20/21 got I thought the LCI was a smart looking vehicle, certainly better than this thing.
But this car isn't built for me, its for the masses and they'll probably lap it up on lease deals.
Have we confirmed the 29k price is wrong? I expected these to be £40k+ with options as the original price I saw was 36-37 ? Crazy money for a hatch, would expect low 30s after discount.
One presumes the M2 will die with the 2 series going FWD ? that was going to be my sucession plan, not now. Used M2 comp maybe.
Car manufacturers are doing a fantastic job of persuading me not to spend any money.
The swage line in the sides and the way it rises reminds me of the first A class merc, the back is a squashed SUV, the way the front is pulled back reminds me of some old hag tying her hair tight to get a facelift. The hump in the bonnet looks wrong. Whatever angle I look at it its just a mess.
For all the abuse the F20/21 got I thought the LCI was a smart looking vehicle, certainly better than this thing.
But this car isn't built for me, its for the masses and they'll probably lap it up on lease deals.
Have we confirmed the 29k price is wrong? I expected these to be £40k+ with options as the original price I saw was 36-37 ? Crazy money for a hatch, would expect low 30s after discount.
One presumes the M2 will die with the 2 series going FWD ? that was going to be my sucession plan, not now. Used M2 comp maybe.
Car manufacturers are doing a fantastic job of persuading me not to spend any money.
It's been going this way for a while now. The need for more profits driving less choice but lower costs for the manufacturer. Unfortunately for us, the minority, those base models that the majority drive and buy, are a world away from what enthusiasts want.
It's only going to get worse
It's only going to get worse
Dombilano said:
Where to begin....
I'm an M140i owner, it's a great car and I've loved owning it. The engine is perfect but it struggles to stay composed on a B road blast, I'm lucky to have a 30 mile commute to work, with various road options when the mood suits, and pushing it just ends up bouncing me along the road or struggling for grip.
Now, the new M135i arrives, and I was initially worried, less power, no 6 cylinder, 4WD, may as well buy a Golf R. But I've seen a few press cars in the flesh near me, and in grey it looks superb, even the blue is nice. I'll reserve judgement til I drive it, but I'll listen to auto journalists over someone saying gopping for the sake of easy laughs.
So fit some better suspension :-) I'm an M140i owner, it's a great car and I've loved owning it. The engine is perfect but it struggles to stay composed on a B road blast, I'm lucky to have a 30 mile commute to work, with various road options when the mood suits, and pushing it just ends up bouncing me along the road or struggling for grip.
Now, the new M135i arrives, and I was initially worried, less power, no 6 cylinder, 4WD, may as well buy a Golf R. But I've seen a few press cars in the flesh near me, and in grey it looks superb, even the blue is nice. I'll reserve judgement til I drive it, but I'll listen to auto journalists over someone saying gopping for the sake of easy laughs.
Wills2 said:
I don't why everyone's crowing about the M140i it had a nice engine but that was about nothing else was a stand out feature neither handling, looks or interior. And lets face it the 1er was widely derided on here for years as gopping so no change there, on these pages every new BMW is derided against the previous one that was also derided for the same reasons (rinse and repeat)
I doubt anyone on here has driven the new car but if it follows the trend of the G chassis cars being so far, much better to drive than the F chassis, I suspect this will beat the M140i in all areas.
I’m probably biased, because I bought one, I don’t think it’s a bad looking car at all. The interior is fine, in fact I actually prefer it to the Golf R/TCR that I was also looking at. The driving position is better, the seats more comfortable. I appreciate that it’s not as well packages though. I doubt anyone on here has driven the new car but if it follows the trend of the G chassis cars being so far, much better to drive than the F chassis, I suspect this will beat the M140i in all areas.
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