Honest John and Left Foot Braking?
Discussion
bad company said:
Taylor James said:
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving.
Why, what is the issue with someone left foot braking? Why should it not be done?Feel free to quote me in full and ask your question and I'll respond.
As above in a modern car lft braking as a technique to manage weight transfer just wont work as the throttle is automatically cut when the brake is pressed.
If you just do it for the hell of it with one foot for each pedal then unless you have done this all your life and are faced with a situation of panic or a looming accident then generally instinct and muscle memory take over.......therein lies the danger and that is why no professional driving body or anyone with a functioning bran cell would recommend it for everyday driving on the road.
If you just do it for the hell of it with one foot for each pedal then unless you have done this all your life and are faced with a situation of panic or a looming accident then generally instinct and muscle memory take over.......therein lies the danger and that is why no professional driving body or anyone with a functioning bran cell would recommend it for everyday driving on the road.
Crumbs, this thread has developed into a braking clone of push pull Vs rotational steering, not long before it develops into winter tyre thread style tribalism.
The issue is a bit similar, horses for courses, what is most appropriate. If the technique, in this case LFB, is done competently, vehicle under control plus most important reliably and safely what's the problem?
Back to topic, HJ and LFB, maybe my memory is wrong but I'm fairly certain he, HJ, first introduced the issue in answer to a question from someone who found the level of control difficult when manoeuvring in confined spaces, for example a reverse parallel park into an uphill tight space. It really does make life easier when you've practiced it in open spaces.
Nobody, at least nobody sensible anyway, is suggesting that folks should go out on the public highway and immediately try to emulate Stig Blomqvist.*
No gloves, special sunnies, or as in one of the most laughable posts on the thread, reduce my lap time of Sainsbury's car park by 0.2 seconds.
The issue is a bit similar, horses for courses, what is most appropriate. If the technique, in this case LFB, is done competently, vehicle under control plus most important reliably and safely what's the problem?
Back to topic, HJ and LFB, maybe my memory is wrong but I'm fairly certain he, HJ, first introduced the issue in answer to a question from someone who found the level of control difficult when manoeuvring in confined spaces, for example a reverse parallel park into an uphill tight space. It really does make life easier when you've practiced it in open spaces.
Nobody, at least nobody sensible anyway, is suggesting that folks should go out on the public highway and immediately try to emulate Stig Blomqvist.*
- *Insert other hot shoe of choice.
No gloves, special sunnies, or as in one of the most laughable posts on the thread, reduce my lap time of Sainsbury's car park by 0.2 seconds.
Taylor James said:
I'd be surprised if any driving instructor or organisation recommends left foot braking in an automatic. It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving. PH driving gods with their enthusiasm for driving and supercar fleets are not representative of everyday drivers. That's why I compare it to heel and toe. You won't find a single motoring body or driving school that recommends it for everyday driving and rightly so. By all means let people who want to use these techniques crack on but any thought that they should be widespread amongst the general driving population is just laughable.
What nonsense is this? Taylor James said:
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving.
Why, what is the issue with someone left foot braking? Why should it not be done?FiF said:
Crumbs, this thread has developed into a braking clone of push pull Vs rotational steering, not long before it develops into winter tyre thread style tribalism.
The issue is a bit similar, horses for courses, what is most appropriate. If the technique, in this case LFB, is done competently, vehicle under control plus most important reliably and safely what's the problem?
Back to topic, HJ and LFB, maybe my memory is wrong but I'm fairly certain he, HJ, first introduced the issue in answer to a question from someone who found the level of control difficult when manoeuvring in confined spaces, for example a reverse parallel park into an uphill tight space. It really does make life easier when you've practiced it in open spaces.
Nobody, at least nobody sensible anyway, is suggesting that folks should go out on the public highway and immediately try to emulate Stig Blomqvist.*
No gloves, special sunnies, or as in one of the most laughable posts on the thread, reduce my lap time of Sainsbury's car park by 0.2 seconds.
Had a tuned FWD fiesta circa 200-2002 and used LFB lots......i just dont see it has a place on the road for reasons given in times of high stress where the body resorts to instinct and muscle memoryThe issue is a bit similar, horses for courses, what is most appropriate. If the technique, in this case LFB, is done competently, vehicle under control plus most important reliably and safely what's the problem?
Back to topic, HJ and LFB, maybe my memory is wrong but I'm fairly certain he, HJ, first introduced the issue in answer to a question from someone who found the level of control difficult when manoeuvring in confined spaces, for example a reverse parallel park into an uphill tight space. It really does make life easier when you've practiced it in open spaces.
Nobody, at least nobody sensible anyway, is suggesting that folks should go out on the public highway and immediately try to emulate Stig Blomqvist.*
- *Insert other hot shoe of choice.
No gloves, special sunnies, or as in one of the most laughable posts on the thread, reduce my lap time of Sainsbury's car park by 0.2 seconds.
We arent all drving gods
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving.
Why, what is the issue with someone left foot braking? Why should it not be done?bad company said:
Taylor James said:
My reply above wasn't addressed to you but to DoubleD.
Feel free to quote me in full and ask your question and I'll respond.
I’m aware of that. I quoted you at 10:17 this morning, not a question more of a statement of fact.Feel free to quote me in full and ask your question and I'll respond.
Taylor James said:
I don't selectively quote or respond to selective quotes. You can either quote my post in full and ask your question or wait forever. It's entirely up to you but unless you take the first option I'm not going to clutter up the thread by discussing this with you.
Clearly you don’t have an answer.Time to move on.
Edited by bad company on Monday 30th September 11:23
Tom_Spotley_When said:
I've spent the last 7 years driving automatics. Jaguar XJ, BMW135i and a Touareg.
Never, in the thousands of miles covered, have I ever felt it necessary to use my left foot for braking. Drop it down a gear on the gearbox, sure, but when are you ever going to need to shave the last thousand of a second off the run to Tesco? Even driving enthusiastically, in a car like the BMW, you're well into licence losing speeds before it comes a problem.
I suspect the people who enthusiastically left foot brake are the same folk who have a pair of driving shoes and a specific driving sunglasses to get them to the shops, looking down on the rest of the population who wear flip-flops and free sunglasses to nip to Tesco.
It's not about shaving off tenths of a second. It's about being one of the higher primates able to coordinate movement of arms and legs effectively.Never, in the thousands of miles covered, have I ever felt it necessary to use my left foot for braking. Drop it down a gear on the gearbox, sure, but when are you ever going to need to shave the last thousand of a second off the run to Tesco? Even driving enthusiastically, in a car like the BMW, you're well into licence losing speeds before it comes a problem.
I suspect the people who enthusiastically left foot brake are the same folk who have a pair of driving shoes and a specific driving sunglasses to get them to the shops, looking down on the rest of the population who wear flip-flops and free sunglasses to nip to Tesco.
DickyC said:
Tom_Spotley_When said:
I've spent the last 7 years driving automatics. Jaguar XJ, BMW135i and a Touareg.
Never, in the thousands of miles covered, have I ever felt it necessary to use my left foot for braking. Drop it down a gear on the gearbox, sure, but when are you ever going to need to shave the last thousand of a second off the run to Tesco? Even driving enthusiastically, in a car like the BMW, you're well into licence losing speeds before it comes a problem.
I suspect the people who enthusiastically left foot brake are the same folk who have a pair of driving shoes and a specific driving sunglasses to get them to the shops, looking down on the rest of the population who wear flip-flops and free sunglasses to nip to Tesco.
It's not about shaving off tenths of a second. It's about being one of the higher primates able to coordinate movement of arms and legs effectively.Never, in the thousands of miles covered, have I ever felt it necessary to use my left foot for braking. Drop it down a gear on the gearbox, sure, but when are you ever going to need to shave the last thousand of a second off the run to Tesco? Even driving enthusiastically, in a car like the BMW, you're well into licence losing speeds before it comes a problem.
I suspect the people who enthusiastically left foot brake are the same folk who have a pair of driving shoes and a specific driving sunglasses to get them to the shops, looking down on the rest of the population who wear flip-flops and free sunglasses to nip to Tesco.
Taylor James said:
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving.
Why, what is the issue with someone left foot braking? Why should it not be done?Cold said:
Taylor James said:
I'd be surprised if any driving instructor or organisation recommends left foot braking in an automatic. It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving. PH driving gods with their enthusiasm for driving and supercar fleets are not representative of everyday drivers. That's why I compare it to heel and toe. You won't find a single motoring body or driving school that recommends it for everyday driving and rightly so. By all means let people who want to use these techniques crack on but any thought that they should be widespread amongst the general driving population is just laughable.
What nonsense is this? He does talk about the general driving population which we lot aren't though. We iz well special
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