Honest John and Left Foot Braking?

Honest John and Left Foot Braking?

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Taylor James

3,111 posts

62 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving.
Why, what is the issue with someone left foot braking? Why should it not be done?
Read my post again, quote it in full and I'll respond.

Insurancejon

4,056 posts

247 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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Left foot braking is the only way to drive my new “old” Audi. Keeps the turbo spinning while you fight the understeer

Apologies for the lack of body panels. We took them off so the sparkys don’t crack the carbon

bad company

18,647 posts

267 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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Taylor James said:
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving.
Why, what is the issue with someone left foot braking? Why should it not be done?
Read my post again, quote it in full and I'll respond.
I did, you didn’t.

Taylor James

3,111 posts

62 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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bad company said:
Taylor James said:
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving.
Why, what is the issue with someone left foot braking? Why should it not be done?
Read my post again, quote it in full and I'll respond.
I did, you didn’t.
My reply above wasn't addressed to you but to DoubleD.

Feel free to quote me in full and ask your question and I'll respond.

NewUsername

925 posts

57 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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As above in a modern car lft braking as a technique to manage weight transfer just wont work as the throttle is automatically cut when the brake is pressed.

If you just do it for the hell of it with one foot for each pedal then unless you have done this all your life and are faced with a situation of panic or a looming accident then generally instinct and muscle memory take over.......therein lies the danger and that is why no professional driving body or anyone with a functioning bran cell would recommend it for everyday driving on the road.

bad company

18,647 posts

267 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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Taylor James said:
My reply above wasn't addressed to you but to DoubleD.

Feel free to quote me in full and ask your question and I'll respond.
I’m aware of that. I quoted you at 10:17 this morning, not a question more of a statement of fact.

FiF

44,151 posts

252 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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Crumbs, this thread has developed into a braking clone of push pull Vs rotational steering, not long before it develops into winter tyre thread style tribalism.

The issue is a bit similar, horses for courses, what is most appropriate. If the technique, in this case LFB, is done competently, vehicle under control plus most important reliably and safely what's the problem?

Back to topic, HJ and LFB, maybe my memory is wrong but I'm fairly certain he, HJ, first introduced the issue in answer to a question from someone who found the level of control difficult when manoeuvring in confined spaces, for example a reverse parallel park into an uphill tight space. It really does make life easier when you've practiced it in open spaces.

Nobody, at least nobody sensible anyway, is suggesting that folks should go out on the public highway and immediately try to emulate Stig Blomqvist.*

  • *Insert other hot shoe of choice.
It's a technique that is, imvho, well worth experiment at a suitable time and place, and then used, or not, again as and when appropriate. Those who flatly say it has no place are, I suggest, those who haven't tried it and have no intention of doing so. (Did I mention winter tyre tribalism? ) Fair enough what works for you works for you, but to labour the point, as long as exponents of LFB can demonstrate ability to do so reliably, safely, appropriately and with vehicle under proper control WTF is it to do with anyone else?

No gloves, special sunnies, or as in one of the most laughable posts on the thread, reduce my lap time of Sainsbury's car park by 0.2 seconds.

Cold

15,253 posts

91 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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Taylor James said:
I'd be surprised if any driving instructor or organisation recommends left foot braking in an automatic. It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving. PH driving gods with their enthusiasm for driving and supercar fleets are not representative of everyday drivers. That's why I compare it to heel and toe. You won't find a single motoring body or driving school that recommends it for everyday driving and rightly so. By all means let people who want to use these techniques crack on but any thought that they should be widespread amongst the general driving population is just laughable.
What nonsense is this?

DoubleD

22,154 posts

109 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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Taylor James said:
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving.
Why, what is the issue with someone left foot braking? Why should it not be done?
Read my post again, quote it in full and I'll respond.
Or you could just answer the question.

NewUsername

925 posts

57 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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FiF said:
Crumbs, this thread has developed into a braking clone of push pull Vs rotational steering, not long before it develops into winter tyre thread style tribalism.

The issue is a bit similar, horses for courses, what is most appropriate. If the technique, in this case LFB, is done competently, vehicle under control plus most important reliably and safely what's the problem?

Back to topic, HJ and LFB, maybe my memory is wrong but I'm fairly certain he, HJ, first introduced the issue in answer to a question from someone who found the level of control difficult when manoeuvring in confined spaces, for example a reverse parallel park into an uphill tight space. It really does make life easier when you've practiced it in open spaces.

Nobody, at least nobody sensible anyway, is suggesting that folks should go out on the public highway and immediately try to emulate Stig Blomqvist.*

  • *Insert other hot shoe of choice.
It's a technique that is, imvho, well worth experiment at a suitable time and place, and then used, or not, again as and when appropriate. Those who flatly say it has no place are, I suggest, those who haven't tried it and have no intention of doing so. (Did I mention winter tyre tribalism? ) Fair enough what works for you works for you, but to labour the point, as long as exponents of LFB can demonstrate ability to do so reliably, safely, appropriately and with vehicle under proper control WTF is it to do with anyone else?

No gloves, special sunnies, or as in one of the most laughable posts on the thread, reduce my lap time of Sainsbury's car park by 0.2 seconds.
Had a tuned FWD fiesta circa 200-2002 and used LFB lots......i just dont see it has a place on the road for reasons given in times of high stress where the body resorts to instinct and muscle memory

We arent all drving gods

Taylor James

3,111 posts

62 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving.
Why, what is the issue with someone left foot braking? Why should it not be done?
Read my post again, quote it in full and I'll respond.
Or you could just answer the question.
I don't selectively quote or respond to selective quotes. You can either quote my post in full and ask your question or wait forever. It's entirely up to you but unless you take the first option I'm not going to clutter up the thread by discussing this with you.

Taylor James

3,111 posts

62 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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bad company said:
Taylor James said:
My reply above wasn't addressed to you but to DoubleD.

Feel free to quote me in full and ask your question and I'll respond.
I’m aware of that. I quoted you at 10:17 this morning, not a question more of a statement of fact.
Fine. We are all entitled to our opinions.

bad company

18,647 posts

267 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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Taylor James said:
I don't selectively quote or respond to selective quotes. You can either quote my post in full and ask your question or wait forever. It's entirely up to you but unless you take the first option I'm not going to clutter up the thread by discussing this with you.
Clearly you don’t have an answer.

Time to move on.

Edited by bad company on Monday 30th September 11:23

DickyC

49,822 posts

199 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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Tom_Spotley_When said:
I've spent the last 7 years driving automatics. Jaguar XJ, BMW135i and a Touareg.

Never, in the thousands of miles covered, have I ever felt it necessary to use my left foot for braking. Drop it down a gear on the gearbox, sure, but when are you ever going to need to shave the last thousand of a second off the run to Tesco? Even driving enthusiastically, in a car like the BMW, you're well into licence losing speeds before it comes a problem.

I suspect the people who enthusiastically left foot brake are the same folk who have a pair of driving shoes and a specific driving sunglasses to get them to the shops, looking down on the rest of the population who wear flip-flops and free sunglasses to nip to Tesco.
It's not about shaving off tenths of a second. It's about being one of the higher primates able to coordinate movement of arms and legs effectively.

FiF

44,151 posts

252 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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DickyC said:
Tom_Spotley_When said:
I've spent the last 7 years driving automatics. Jaguar XJ, BMW135i and a Touareg.

Never, in the thousands of miles covered, have I ever felt it necessary to use my left foot for braking. Drop it down a gear on the gearbox, sure, but when are you ever going to need to shave the last thousand of a second off the run to Tesco? Even driving enthusiastically, in a car like the BMW, you're well into licence losing speeds before it comes a problem.

I suspect the people who enthusiastically left foot brake are the same folk who have a pair of driving shoes and a specific driving sunglasses to get them to the shops, looking down on the rest of the population who wear flip-flops and free sunglasses to nip to Tesco.
It's not about shaving off tenths of a second. It's about being one of the higher primates able to coordinate movement of arms and legs effectively.
Just to be controversial, wearing flip flops, now that IS a thing not to be recommended. nono

glenrobbo

35,298 posts

151 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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I think that an individual should be free to brake with whichever appendage he chooses.

That is all.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

109 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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Taylor James said:
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
DoubleD said:
Taylor James said:
It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving.
Why, what is the issue with someone left foot braking? Why should it not be done?
Read my post again, quote it in full and I'll respond.
Or you could just answer the question.
I don't selectively quote or respond to selective quotes. You can either quote my post in full and ask your question or wait forever. It's entirely up to you but unless you take the first option I'm not going to clutter up the thread by discussing this with you.
I cant see how answering this would clutter up the thread, but its up to you.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

235 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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Cold said:
Taylor James said:
I'd be surprised if any driving instructor or organisation recommends left foot braking in an automatic. It's a technique that simply has no place in everyday driving. PH driving gods with their enthusiasm for driving and supercar fleets are not representative of everyday drivers. That's why I compare it to heel and toe. You won't find a single motoring body or driving school that recommends it for everyday driving and rightly so. By all means let people who want to use these techniques crack on but any thought that they should be widespread amongst the general driving population is just laughable.
What nonsense is this?
He is right. My BSM instructor didn't want me to HnT the 1.5D Corsa I had the misery of learning in.

He does talk about the general driving population which we lot aren't though. We iz well special smile

DickyC

49,822 posts

199 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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glenrobbo said:
I think that an individual should be free to brake with whichever appendage he chooses.

That is all.
You've grown a Special Braking Appendage, haven't you?

No, we don't want to see it.

swagmeister

382 posts

93 months

Monday 30th September 2019
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I think anyone who left foot brakes, or feels there is any benefit of such on public roads, is probably the kinda guy that also wears driving gloves and irons his underwear.