Honest John and Left Foot Braking?
Discussion
Graveworm said:
DoubleD said:
Well I guess there is an advantage(a small one) that you can permanently cover the brake, you cant do that if you right foot brake.
I could if I wanted to but even then I could still right foot brake all the other times and it would be a very awkward driving position, in most cars, where potential cramp would cause some issues. Of course, it ignores all the other examples, when it's possibly not the best thing to do or that the advantage is not so clear cut for right leg dominant people. In a manual, do you think the right foot hits the brake slower or quicker than than the left leg gets to the clutch?
DoubleD said:
Graveworm said:
DoubleD said:
The problem is, at some point you will need to move your right foot off the brake and to the accelerator or you will eventually come to a stop. This isnt something that someone who left foot brakes will need to do.
I should add that I right foot brake in my manual car.
True that if that ever arises. I should add that I right foot brake in my manual car.
As I said I can do both and there is no clear advantage for either.
Elatino1 said:
DoubleD said:
Graveworm said:
DoubleD said:
The problem is, at some point you will need to move your right foot off the brake and to the accelerator or you will eventually come to a stop. This isnt something that someone who left foot brakes will need to do.
I should add that I right foot brake in my manual car.
True that if that ever arises. I should add that I right foot brake in my manual car.
As I said I can do both and there is no clear advantage for either.
Graveworm said:
bad company said:
There’s a very simple logic. There’s 2 pedals in my car and I have 2 feet, why would I use just 1 of them?
Well some argue the left leg is better employed bracing yourself in the seat. But that's just Ben Collins, who is he next to Honest Jon. Graveworm said:
DoubleD said:
I cant say that I have ever needed to brace myself in the seat while out and about.
I've never been in an accident, kerbed a car or had one stolen but I am willing to accept it can happen. DoubleD said:
Yep those things can happen. Not sure what that has to do with anything though.
Because, despite it not having happened to you yet, it might be of benefit in the future, in an emergency it may be necessary to gain the benefit of a left foot on the footrest as well as a right foot on the brake to brace the body. Right foot on the gas or under a brake pedal, which may well go all the way to the floor in an emergency, might not be as good. Graveworm said:
DoubleD said:
Yep those things can happen. Not sure what that has to do with anything though.
Because, despite it not having happened to you yet, it might be of benefit in the future, in an emergency it may be necessary to gain the benefit of a left foot on the footrest as well as a right foot on the brake to brace the body. Right foot on the gas or under a brake pedal, which may well go all the way to the floor in an emergency, might not be as good. DoubleD said:
Well hopefully me bracing my left leg against the car will help if it gets stolen.
Ah deflection. Not much I can do there. Bad things that haven't happened before, may still happen. To base my current behaviour, only on what has already happened to me, is not very logical when I have better data to base it on. Graveworm said:
DoubleD said:
Well hopefully me bracing my left leg against the car will help if it gets stolen.
Ah deflection. Not much I can do there. Bad things that haven't happened before, may still happen. To base my current behaviour, only on what has already happened to me, is not very logical when I have better data to base it on. Elatino1 said:
DoubleD said:
Graveworm said:
DoubleD said:
The problem is, at some point you will need to move your right foot off the brake and to the accelerator or you will eventually come to a stop. This isnt something that someone who left foot brakes will need to do.
I should add that I right foot brake in my manual car.
True that if that ever arises. I should add that I right foot brake in my manual car.
As I said I can do both and there is no clear advantage for either.
Graveworm said:
JimSuperSix said:
I've said over and over, left foot over the brake pedal in situations most likely to need it.
And I've said right foot over as a minimum, if I am not sure I won't need to brake. That way I am going slower and the car is better balanced as well. These days, in most real emergencies, the car reacts faster than any human anyway, so the slower speed is the more important factor.
Edited by Graveworm on Monday 7th October 18:34
The car is better balanced because you have your right foot hovering over the brake instead of your left foot? Odd logic but whatever....
You are conveniently ignoring the fact that to maintain speed you will spend most of the time with your right foot pressing the throttle.
LFB / RFB has zero relevance to the speed you drive the vehicle, so to say you will be going slower is just plain wrong.
And most of the cars we drive still require the human to begin braking before any electronics can take over / assist, so the limiting factor is you reacting and moving your foot onto the pedal, something which LFB can help you reduce.
JimSuperSix said:
TBH you seem to be confusing yourself somewhat...
The car is better balanced because you have your right foot hovering over the brake instead of your left foot? Odd logic but whatever....
You are conveniently ignoring the fact that to maintain speed you will spend most of the time with your right foot pressing the throttle.
LFB / RFB has zero relevance to the speed you drive the vehicle, so to say you will be going slower is just plain wrong.
And most of the cars we drive still require the human to begin braking before any electronics can take over / assist, so the limiting factor is you reacting and moving your foot onto the pedal, something which LFB can help you reduce.
Well if my right foot is on the throttle and my left foot is hovering over the brake I will be travelling faster than if my right foot is the one covering the brake. If I can't be sure I won't need to brake then usually that's a time to reduce speed whilst I get more information. Slower speed is an advantage for the increasing number (soon to mandatory) cars where many aspects of emergency braking are automonous. The car is better balanced because you have your right foot hovering over the brake instead of your left foot? Odd logic but whatever....
You are conveniently ignoring the fact that to maintain speed you will spend most of the time with your right foot pressing the throttle.
LFB / RFB has zero relevance to the speed you drive the vehicle, so to say you will be going slower is just plain wrong.
And most of the cars we drive still require the human to begin braking before any electronics can take over / assist, so the limiting factor is you reacting and moving your foot onto the pedal, something which LFB can help you reduce.
LFB may be able to reduce, the reaction time, in some circumstances for some drivers. But it assumes the dominant/hemisphere disadvantage has no impact. I still haven't seen any evidence that it actually does or that it doesn't increase it in others never mind that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
I can and have done both, I can't see any clear overall advantage and these days prefer to use one method that is car and transmission independent. Also I just checked and my car manual and it says not to do it.
Graveworm said:
JimSuperSix said:
TBH you seem to be confusing yourself somewhat...
The car is better balanced because you have your right foot hovering over the brake instead of your left foot? Odd logic but whatever....
You are conveniently ignoring the fact that to maintain speed you will spend most of the time with your right foot pressing the throttle.
LFB / RFB has zero relevance to the speed you drive the vehicle, so to say you will be going slower is just plain wrong.
And most of the cars we drive still require the human to begin braking before any electronics can take over / assist, so the limiting factor is you reacting and moving your foot onto the pedal, something which LFB can help you reduce.
Well if my right foot is on the throttle and my left foot is hovering over the brake I will be travelling faster than if my right foot is the one covering the brake. If I can't be sure I won't need to brake then usually that's a time to reduce speed whilst I get more information. Slower speed is an advantage for the increasing number (soon to mandatory) cars where many aspects of emergency braking are automonous. The car is better balanced because you have your right foot hovering over the brake instead of your left foot? Odd logic but whatever....
You are conveniently ignoring the fact that to maintain speed you will spend most of the time with your right foot pressing the throttle.
LFB / RFB has zero relevance to the speed you drive the vehicle, so to say you will be going slower is just plain wrong.
And most of the cars we drive still require the human to begin braking before any electronics can take over / assist, so the limiting factor is you reacting and moving your foot onto the pedal, something which LFB can help you reduce.
LFB may be able to reduce, the reaction time, in some circumstances for some drivers. But it assumes the dominant/hemisphere disadvantage has no impact. I still haven't seen any evidence that it actually does or that it doesn't increase it in others never mind that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
I can and have done both, I can't see any clear overall advantage and these days prefer to use one method that is car and transmission independent. Also I just checked and my car manual and it says not to do it.
SidewaysSi said:
Well you bought the wrong car then.
I only have this and the previous couple with me "in the cloud" but it's in them as well. So that's BMW Nissan and Merc out. This one says it can increase braking distances and may damage systems. It might be a legacy of the increased safety driver aids. Especially odd as it is how the launch control works. DonkeyApple said:
It’s clearly possible in Mercs as every Indian mother in NW London drives everywhere with their left foot on the brake at all times. But they are clearly operating at F1 driver skill levels and competently shaving tenths of a second off the race to the shops.
At last we possibly have an answer as to why a certain demographic randomly and unnecessarily brakes while chuntering up the M40 on the way up to Birminghamshire.Graveworm said:
Well if my right foot is on the throttle and my left foot is hovering over the brake I will be travelling faster than if my right foot is the one covering the brake. If I can't be sure I won't need to brake then usually that's a time to reduce speed whilst I get more information. Slower speed is an advantage for the increasing number (soon to mandatory) cars where many aspects of emergency braking are automonous.
Your argument seems to be that because someone has their left foot covering the brake that they will be travelling faster. which is of course not true, and then you get lost because you've started from an incorrect assumption.For a logical argument you have to consider to benefits from an identical starting point, not make silly assumptions such as the above. So for example if we consider a situation where you are driving at a steady 20mph, as you would for example outside a school or alongside a row of parked cars, if you can LFB then you can already have your left foot in position ready to apply the brakes. If you RFB then you will have to move your foot across before you can begin to brake.
There is zero reason to start from the assumption that the right-foot braker will be travelling slower than the left-foot braker, which is what you argument above appears to derive from.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 8th October 11:00
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