Honest John and Left Foot Braking?

[DickyC]

I have not been psychologically damaged by the practice.

No siree.

[Toltec]

Graveworm said:

Well the people who make the cars disagree.. There is also the problem that the gross motor skill in applying the brake, in an emergency, may also cause physiological issues in the fine motor skill to keep the right foot off the gas and away from the brake.

Some manufacturers give you a line lock so I'm pretty sure they are not expecting their cars to die if the brakes are on when you press the accelerator. Driving up a steep hill or slowly up a kerb will put more stress on the drive train than a small amount of brake overlap. The manufacturers have this in the manuals so people cannot claim they didn't know that pressing both pedals hard would cause a problem. Then there is launch control where pressing both pedals hard seems to be part of the instructions.

The other stuff you are just making up. I'm not even sure what keeping your foot off the accelerator and away from the brake means.

[Graveworm]

bad company said:

Seriously ‘ may also cause physiological issues in the fine motor skill to keep the right foot off the gas and away from the brake’. WTF is that all about?

It’s very simple. There’s 2 pedals and you have 2 feet but you think it’s logical to use just one of them for both pedals.

I am not alone. As I said I used to LFB until it was pointed out to me that with modern cars overlapping which I can't avoid, causes problems with the braking systems, which increases braking distance. So since I need to ensure I only press one pedal at a time one foot makes sense.

The physiological stuff is basics of FOF - gross motor skills take precidence over fine skills in an emergency.

[bluezedd]

nevermind people not being able to learn to brake with their left foot. What about these dangerous folk?



They might forget in an emergency!

[Graveworm]

Toltec said:

The other stuff you are just making up. I'm not even sure what keeping your foot off the accelerator and away from the brake means.

Brake pedal goes to the floor in a crash. That's not good if a right foot is under it.

[Graveworm]

V6 Pushfit said:

I think he meant physiological, but prefer psychological tbh as it makes him look like a nutjob.

A simple typo and it’s curtains for sanity in my book.

That's why I wrote physiological..

[anonymous-user]

Graveworm said:

Toltec said:

The other stuff you are just making up. I'm not even sure what keeping your foot off the accelerator and away from the brake means.

Brake pedal goes to the floor in a crash. That's not good if a right foot is under it.

It's worse if there's a hedgehog under there.

[Toltec]

JimSuperSix said:

Graveworm said:

Toltec said:

The other stuff you are just making up. I'm not even sure what keeping your foot off the accelerator and away from the brake means.

Brake pedal goes to the floor in a crash. That's not good if a right foot is under it.

It's worse if there's a hedgehog under there.

Or your left foot or an unopened can of coke. How often do you go for the brake pedal and get your foot under it instead? If anything with lfb it will be further down by the time your right moves across so less likely to happen.

Let's throw in a problem with rfb. It is quite easy if you are in a hurry or unfamiliar with a vehicle to get your foot only partially across the pedal which means you start pressing the accelerator too. Happened to me once the first time I drove a Ford Sierra, it did stop, but I thought the brakes had failed at first.

[bad company]

Graveworm said:

I am not alone. As I said I used to LFB until it was pointed out to me that with modern cars overlapping which I can't avoid, causes problems with the braking systems, which increases braking distance. So since I need to ensure I only press one pedal at a time one foot makes sense.

The physiological stuff is basics of FOF - gross motor skills take precidence over fine skills in an emergency.

You can’t lfb without pressing both pedals at the same time? I can honestly say that that’s never happened to me.

[Graveworm]

Toltec said:

Or your left foot or an unopened can of coke. How often do you go for the brake pedal and get your foot under it instead? If anything with lfb it will be further down by the time your right moves across so less likely to happen.

Let's throw in a problem with rfb. It is quite easy if you are in a hurry or unfamiliar with a vehicle to get your foot only partially across the pedal which means you start pressing the accelerator too. Happened to me once the first time I drove a Ford Sierra, it did stop, but I thought the brakes had failed at first.

I don't get my right foot under the pedal if I am braking. In an emergency I don't know, for sure, what may happen as the right foot gets off the gas whilst the left is braking whilst thinking thar I am going to hit something.

Pretty good drivers told me to stop doing it in modern cars. Ex F1 ex Junior WRC and a current endurance racer.

[FiF]

Ah the appeal to authority. I'm sure Obama and Richard Branson had something to say on it too.

[DickyC]

Conversations that never happened include:

"How do you do? I'm a keen driver."
"That's interesting. I'm a racing driver. In my opinion you shouldn't brake left footed."
"Thanks for telling me that. I'll pass it on."

[Bobberoo99]

I do find it funny that certain people on this thread are so obsessed with trying to prove that their view is the right view and everyone else's is wrong, that they have completely lost sight of the original point of the thread.
If a person is both capable and happy to left foot brake, what concern is it of yours? Why do you feel the need to have it proven wrong with evidence and data driven support? Why can you just not accept that some people find it natural to do it? I'm genuinely intrigued to hear your answer.

[Graveworm]

DickyC said:

Conversations that never happened include:

"How do you do? I'm a keen driver."
"That's interesting. I'm a racing driver. In my opinion you shouldn't brake left footed."
"Thanks for telling me that. I'll pass it on."

F1 driver was Karl Wendlinger Junior WRC champion was Aaron Burkart. I am embarrassed that I can't remember the Endurance driver at the moment but I have his details when I return home along with pictures and videos. They are all part of the AMG driver academy and delivered this as part of the training.
Please don't defame people by suggesting they are lying based, purely on your prejudice, on a public forum.

[DickyC]

Bobberoo99 said:

I do find it funny that certain people on this thread are so obsessed with trying to prove that their view is the right view and everyone else's is wrong, that they have completely lost sight of the original point of the thread.
If a person is both capable and happy to left foot brake, what concern is it of yours? Why do you feel the need to have it proven wrong with evidence and data driven support? Why can you just not accept that some people find it natural to do it? I'm genuinely intrigued to hear your answer.

Don't come round here with your logic.

We're doing just fine, thanks.

Upsetting folk. You and your two left feet.

[Bobberoo99]

Graveworm said:

DickyC said:

Conversations that never happened include:

"How do you do? I'm a keen driver."
"That's interesting. I'm a racing driver. In my opinion you shouldn't brake left footed."
"Thanks for telling me that. I'll pass it on."

F1 driver was Karl Wendlinger Junior WRC champion was Aaron Burkart. I am embarrassed that I can't remember the Endurance driver at the moment but I have his details when I return home along with pictures and videos. They are all part of the AMG driver academy and delivered this as part of the training.
Please don't defame people by suggesting they are lying based, purely on your prejudice, on a public forum.

You mean like you continually do?

[DickyC]

Graveworm said:

F1 driver was Karl Wendlinger Junior WRC champion was Aaron Burkart. I am embarrassed that I can't remember the Endurance driver at the moment but I have his details when I return home along with pictures and videos. They are all part of the AMG driver academy and delivered this as part of the training.
Please don't defame people by suggesting they are lying based, purely on your prejudice, on a public forum.

Not defaming you, chap. Just trying to make you see the spectacle you are making of yourself.

Do yourself a favour.

[Graveworm]

Bobberoo99 said:

You mean like you continually do?

Please show me an example and I will happily apologise.

[DickyC]

Graveworm said:

Please show me an example and I will happily apologise.

Mate. Seriously, Do yourself a favour and stop.

[Bobberoo99]

Graveworm said:

Bobberoo99 said:

You mean like you continually do?

Please show me an example and I will happily apologise.

You flatly refuse to accept another's view on the subject, you continually demand data driven proof that it works and is better, and yet when people say that they are not interested in proving whether it is better just that it works for them you continue to argue the point. That is defaming their point of view is it not?