Honest John and Left Foot Braking?
Discussion
DickyC said:
Graveworm said:
F1 driver was Karl Wendlinger Junior WRC champion was Aaron Burkart. I am embarrassed that I can't remember the Endurance driver at the moment but I have his details when I return home along with pictures and videos. They are all part of the AMG driver academy and delivered this as part of the training.
Please don't defame people by suggesting they are lying based, purely on your prejudice, on a public forum.
Not defaming you, chap. Just trying to make you see the spectacle you are making of yourself.Please don't defame people by suggesting they are lying based, purely on your prejudice, on a public forum.
Do yourself a favour.
What a plum
Graveworm said:
F1 driver was Karl Wendlinger Junior WRC champion was Aaron Burkart. I am embarrassed that I can't remember the Endurance driver at the moment but I have his details when I return home along with pictures and videos. They are all part of the AMG driver academy and delivered this as part of the training.
Please don't defame people by suggesting they are lying based, purely on your prejudice, on a public forum.
Fair enough, I doubt I'll ever get a newer Mercedes and my newest car is ten years old now so maybe that is why lfb works for me. I'll certainly bare it in mind when I eventually replace our cars. Please don't defame people by suggesting they are lying based, purely on your prejudice, on a public forum.
glenrobbo said:
If we now consider driving a vehicle with a manual gearbox, what is the consensus of opinion on right foot clutching?
I’m sure the Official Pistonheads Argument Department will be along soon to dispute this, back it up with names of racing drivers and then refuse point blank to provide any evidence of any sort to support his claims. Mainly because he is always right obviously
Bobberoo99 said:
glenrobbo said:
If we now consider driving a vehicle with a manual gearbox, what is the consensus of opinion on right foot clutching?
If you do it without killing any children/kittens/trees/wildlife and have supporting evidence in the form of hard data then I see no issue.Braking with my left foot and clutching with my right one is a big help and is statistically proven to reduce leakage to a minimum.
Regarding the danger element to wildlife etc, I have thought about a hand throttle but that is not really the best way to despatch a turkey.
I have no idea what hard things and tissues have to do with the subject.
I think you are all wrong. You should use both feet to brake in an automatic.
This is proven by the extra large brake pedal fitted to automatic cars.
The data shows that this pedal is twice the size of brake pedals in manual cars and is therefore designed for twice the number of feet.
This is proven by the extra large brake pedal fitted to automatic cars.
The data shows that this pedal is twice the size of brake pedals in manual cars and is therefore designed for twice the number of feet.
Scrump said:
I think you are all wrong. You should use both feet to brake in an automatic.
This is proven by the extra large brake pedal fitted to automatic cars.
The data shows that this pedal is twice the size of brake pedals in manual cars and is therefore designed for twice the number of feet.
Well, nobody can argue against that sort of data-proven logic, Scrump. This is proven by the extra large brake pedal fitted to automatic cars.
The data shows that this pedal is twice the size of brake pedals in manual cars and is therefore designed for twice the number of feet.
Or can they?...
Scrump said:
I think you are all wrong. You should use both feet to brake in an automatic.
This is proven by the extra large brake pedal fitted to automatic cars.
The data shows that this pedal is twice the size of brake pedals in manual cars and is therefore designed for twice the number of feet.
AT LAST WE HAVE A SENSIBLE, DATA DRIVEN, PROVABLE, HARD FACT!!!! This is proven by the extra large brake pedal fitted to automatic cars.
The data shows that this pedal is twice the size of brake pedals in manual cars and is therefore designed for twice the number of feet.
Let's see you argue with that one then!!!
Bobberoo99 said:
Scrump said:
I think you are all wrong. You should use both feet to brake in an automatic.
This is proven by the extra large brake pedal fitted to automatic cars.
The data shows that this pedal is twice the size of brake pedals in manual cars and is therefore designed for twice the number of feet.
AT LAST WE HAVE A SENSIBLE, DATA DRIVEN, PROVABLE, HARD FACT!!!! This is proven by the extra large brake pedal fitted to automatic cars.
The data shows that this pedal is twice the size of brake pedals in manual cars and is therefore designed for twice the number of feet.
Let's see you argue with that one then!!!
but what is that i hear??....Is .....is it....yes it is...it's the sound of a pompous prat frantically tapping keys to find yet more proof of why he is right and why everyone else is patently wrong. Cue the no doubt expensive driving course with famous instructors to prove how wrong mere mortals are yet again.I agree with Graveworm, LFB has no place on the public roads because most people just can't use their less-dominant leg as well as their primary leg. Although it sounds great in theory, in practice it often means that you end up not pressing the pedal as hard as you should do or would with the right leg.
It might be good on a race track for balancing the car, but keep it off the roads.
It might be good on a race track for balancing the car, but keep it off the roads.
DickyC said:
I'm coming round to his way of thinking too. At lunch I was the using dependable fork in left hand, knife in right hand technique and all was well until I put down my knife, swapped the fork to my right hand and shot a mouthful of pie and mash over my shoulder.*
*and liquor
Very good. *and liquor
Reminded me that I haven’t had pie & mash for a long time.
bad company said:
Very good.
Reminded me that I haven’t had pie & mash for a long time.
Working in Hammersmiff one time wiv a loader Lahndunnahs we took turns to nominate somewhere for lunch and off we would troop. One of my suggestions was the Pie and Mash next to Goldhawk Road tube station, one stop from Hammersmith. Two of us went and the other bloke just had a cup of tea. Just me, then. Call yourself Londoners? I should cocoa. Reminded me that I haven’t had pie & mash for a long time.
I'm not strictly a Londoner. Croydon doesn't count.
Off Topic Again. Sorry.
JimSuperSix said:
Agreed, fun as this is there's no way I would recommend that most of the drivers I encounter daily start trying to left foot brake, most of them are too busy texting anyway. It requires that mindset of actually wanting to learn and improve, sadly lacking in most people who see driving as something they've 100% mastered and they can use the time to do other things.
If you have that mindset then I see it as a good thing to learn because there can be some very decent improvements in safety and smoothness.
In the interests of learning/improving - is LFB taught by the IAM, RosPA, or HPC? I have some experience of the first 2 and dont recall it ever being discussed (unlike H&T) but perhaps I didnt reach a sufficiently advanced level for it to be on my syllabus.If you have that mindset then I see it as a good thing to learn because there can be some very decent improvements in safety and smoothness.
Are there any PC1 drivers on here who were perhaps taught about the benefits of LFB? Given the amount of time they spend in Hot Pursuit I would have thought that if anyone was going to benefit from the milliseconds saved by LFB it would be them.....
Countdown said:
In the interests of learning/improving - is LFB taught by the IAM, RosPA, or HPC? I have some experience of the first 2 and dont recall it ever being discussed (unlike H&T) but perhaps I didnt reach a sufficiently advanced level for it to be on my syllabus.
Are there any PC1 drivers on here who were perhaps taught about the benefits of LFB? Given the amount of time they spend in Hot Pursuit I would have thought that if anyone was going to benefit from the milliseconds saved by LFB it would be them.....
I may have said this before but with LFB of automatics I'm not looking for milliseconds. In fact, I'm not looking for advantage of any sort. It's just two pedals, two feet. One for go, one for stop. I do not press both pedals at the same time. It's fine. Are there any PC1 drivers on here who were perhaps taught about the benefits of LFB? Given the amount of time they spend in Hot Pursuit I would have thought that if anyone was going to benefit from the milliseconds saved by LFB it would be them.....
There might be something subconscious going on like an instinct telling me, "You're left hand is idle, this must be an automatic," or something of that nature. Whatever it is, I can get out of a manual that I've driven with RFB into an auto and drive it perfectly safely with LFB.
To recap: I right foot brake manuals and, unless the pedal arrangement makes it awkward, I left foot brake automatics. I do not do it for advantage and the cars do not suffer.
The reason I'm persevering with this argument is, as an OAP, I am in Honest John's target group.
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