Ditched Ferrari

[av185]

The only advantage 4wd would give you regarding acquaplaning is because the car is slightly heavier than the equivalent 2wd this would tend to result in a marginally higher speed before the acquaplaning started.

[poo at Paul's]

That's a pretty challenging piece of tarmac.........….

[Pesty]

Schermerhorn said:

Pesty said:

Schermerhorn said:

A lot of people revelling in the misfortune of that Ferrari driver.

Typical salty Brit behaviour. Always classy.

Where? Not seen one post can you show me?

Read again.....

I’ll take that as a no.

[anonymous-user]

Pesty said:

Schermerhorn said:

Pesty said:

Schermerhorn said:

A lot of people revelling in the misfortune of that Ferrari driver.

Typical salty Brit behaviour. Always classy.

Where? Not seen one post can you show me?

Read again.....

I’ll take that as a no.

ericmcn said:

Is that Ferrari AWD? Thought not, so its silly of the owners to go bat out of hell in weather like that, there was only ever going to be one outcome. I recall a BMW also going out of control on the M25 or something and posting up on here, again RWD + Wet = Not good

Although this is a very special case

[swisstoni]

I’m surprised more modern cars don’t end up like this frankly.

Given the meagre bhp available to me and my friends when I was young we still managed to give the environment a bit of a battering.

[Mike335i]

ericmcn said:

yonex said:

Do you actually believe the st you write?

The people writing st are the ones like yourself shattering the irony meter into a million pieces by saying Subaru's end up in recovery trucks, from a BMW fanboy none the less, a brand proudly stuck at the bottom of all recent reliability surveys for years now. Idiot

Plus seems you can't handle the truth I guess, must suck with owning RWD cars, I could upload a video from the commute last Monday but its getting a bit boring now however it was fun overtaking all the lesser German cars driving gently in heavy rain...

How's the leased out derv going?

Edited by ericmcn on Monday 7th October 13:02

I know this is a wind up Eric, and a pretty good one at that as you have maintained this persona for quite a while now (I almost believe that you actually think what you write), but if you do post some more of excellent videos up, could you make them a little shorter please? Bravo for all the effort you put into keeping the joke going though. That takes some dedication. TarpaTow take note!

Do you do other characters as well, or do you specialise is just this one?

[Chestrockwell]

If one person can talk about aquaplaning, it’s going to be me.

My 4 series spun out of control on the M25 a few years ago, I was young and stupid, was doing 90 mph and lost control. Thankfully I didn’t crash !

Anyways, point is, 4 series BMW, 255 rear section Runflat’s and 225 front section Runflat’s, brickstones none the less, summer tyres. RWD with 413lbft from 2k rpm meant I was at a half facing the wrong side of the M25.

It’s my fault 100% but it wouldn’t have happened in my mums Toyota RAV4 or my dads Honda Accord.

Some cars are more likely to aquaplane than others, specifically BMW’s, why is this so hard to understand!

I know robm77 will be pulling me up on this and we’ve debated this many times but I’m right about this, cheers

[Some Gump]

av185 said:

So a mid engined car is easier to 'lose' than a front or rear engined car.

Riiight.

IME it very much is... Esp. vs front engined.

[g3org3y]

Chestrockwell said:

If one person can talk about aquaplaning, it’s going to be me.

My 4 series spun out of control on the M25 a few years ago, I was young and stupid, was doing 90 mph and lost control. Thankfully I didn’t crash !

Anyways, point is, 4 series BMW, 255 rear section Runflat’s and 225 front section Runflat’s, brickstones none the less, summer tyres. RWD with 413lbft from 2k rpm meant I was at a half facing the wrong side of the M25.

It’s my fault 100% but it wouldn’t have happened in my mums Toyota RAV4 or my dads Honda Accord.

Some cars are more likely to aquaplane than others, specifically BMW’s, why is this so hard to understand!

I know robm77 will be pulling me up on this and we’ve debated this many times but I’m right about this, cheers

How do you know that?

Tyre width I can understand but how does the amount of torque you have relate to the propensity to aquaplane (or do you mean once it happened only slight throttle application = facing backwards)?

90mph in the rain is just asking for trouble IMVHO.

[RobM77]

Chestrockwell said:

If one person can talk about aquaplaning, it’s going to be me.

My 4 series spun out of control on the M25 a few years ago, I was young and stupid, was doing 90 mph and lost control. Thankfully I didn’t crash !

Anyways, point is, 4 series BMW, 255 rear section Runflat’s and 225 front section Runflat’s, brickstones none the less, summer tyres. RWD with 413lbft from 2k rpm meant I was at a half facing the wrong side of the M25.

It’s my fault 100% but it wouldn’t have happened in my mums Toyota RAV4 or my dads Honda Accord.

Some cars are more likely to aquaplane than others, specifically BMW’s, why is this so hard to understand!

I know robm77 will be pulling me up on this and we’ve debated this many times but I’m right about this, cheers

I will, yes It's not just a function of tyre width - tread depth plays a massive part. I'm on my 7th BMW over an 18 year period and I drive about 25k miles a year in all weathers. My current car has similar stats to yours above: 275 rears, 245 fronts (both 2cm wider..) and 413lbft (same engine I guess? '30d?). Worse than that, my Formula Renault had substantially wider tyres, only weighed 490kg (downforce was about 130kg on top of that mind you) and it averaged around 100mph on every track I visited (so much wider tyres, less weight and far more speed). However, to date I've only aquaplaned twice in my life: once in my E36 325i and once in my Celica Carlos Sainz (4WD rally homologation special of the GT4). The common thread? I was in my 20s on a low salary and ran my tyres down far lower than I do now.

[anonymous-user]

Chestrockwell said:

If one person can talk about aquaplaning, it’s going to be me.

My 4 series spun out of control on the M25 a few years ago, I was young and stupid, was doing 90 mph and lost control. Thankfully I didn’t crash !

Anyways, point is, 4 series BMW, 255 rear section Runflat’s and 225 front section Runflat’s, brickstones none the less, summer tyres. RWD with 413lbft from 2k rpm meant I was at a half facing the wrong side of the M25.

It’s my fault 100% but it wouldn’t have happened in my mums Toyota RAV4 or my dads Honda Accord.

Some cars are more likely to aquaplane than others, specifically BMW’s, why is this so hard to understand!

I know robm77 will be pulling me up on this and we’ve debated this many times but I’m right about this, cheers

Usually, when you say 'I'm right about this' there's generally a bit to discuss!

My old M3 had fairly wide tyres, it was decent in the wet, but like everything with wide summer tyres you have to be sensible. It doesn't matter if it's 2, 4 front or rear, you can aquaplane quite happily in all configurations. The fact you were doing 90 would seem to the the main fact here, not 413lbft of torque Too fast for the conditions, that's all there is to say about it.

Also, BMW's are no more prone than any other car in the same configuration. It's such a daft thing to come out with, almost an 'ericism'

[E9RYE]

Won't 4wd make it easier to correct an aquaplaning incident as the front wheels will come out of the water and grip the tarmac first? Obviously depends on speed whether it can be corrected, but I'd imagine it easier to correct with 4wd.

[ettore]

RobM77 said:

I think what Scherm meant was that Brits practise a very specific type of schadenfreude. Brits always seem jealous and bitter towards those with more money than them. Drive a nice Ferrari through an Italian town and people take photos and cheer; drive a nice Lotus through a British town and people spit in it.

No they don’t?!

Certainly nowhere I’ve lived.

[Dave Hedgehog]

ettore said:

RobM77 said:

I think what Scherm meant was that Brits practise a very specific type of schadenfreude. Brits always seem jealous and bitter towards those with more money than them. Drive a nice Ferrari through an Italian town and people take photos and cheer; drive a nice Lotus through a British town and people spit in it.

No they don’t?!

Certainly nowhere I’ve lived.

more likely to just key it in the NW Kent chav towns, although apparently videoing your mates running over decent cars is also a thing now

I caught a guy keying my one week old RS4 in Dartford ...

[Pesty]

yonex said:

Pesty said:

Schermerhorn said:

Pesty said:

Schermerhorn said:

A lot of people revelling in the misfortune of that Ferrari driver.

Typical salty Brit behaviour. Always classy.

Where? Not seen one post can you show me?

Read again.....

I’ll take that as a no.

ericmcn said:

Is that Ferrari AWD? Thought not, so its silly of the owners to go bat out of hell in weather like that, there was only ever going to be one outcome. I recall a BMW also going out of control on the M25 or something and posting up on here, again RWD + Wet = Not good

Although this is a very special case

Unless I’m due a woosh parrot like the people who didn’t get the schadenfreude comment

I see no revelling.

Some assumption of fault which is misplaced with the info at hand. Plentry of people crash cars of all sorts for all reasons.
But no revelling.

[monzaxjr]

yonex said:

Pesty said:

Schermerhorn said:

Pesty said:

Schermerhorn said:

A lot of people revelling in the misfortune of that Ferrari driver.

Typical salty Brit behaviour. Always classy.

Where? Not seen one post can you show me?

Read again.....

I’ll take that as a no.

ericmcn said:

Is that Ferrari AWD? Thought not, so its silly of the owners to go bat out of hell in weather like that, there was only ever going to be one outcome. I recall a BMW also going out of control on the M25 or something and posting up on here, again RWD + Wet = Not good

Although this is a very special case

Yup he's special alright but not in a good way.

[Plate spinner]

Chestrockwell said:

If one person can talk about aquaplaning, it’s going to be me.

My 4 series spun out of control on the M25 a few years ago, I was young and stupid, was doing 90 mph and lost control. Thankfully I didn’t crash !

Anyways, point is, 4 series BMW, 255 rear section Runflat’s and 225 front section Runflat’s, brickstones none the less, summer tyres. RWD with 413lbft from 2k rpm meant I was at a half facing the wrong side of the M25.

It’s my fault 100% but it wouldn’t have happened in my mums Toyota RAV4 or my dads Honda Accord.

Some cars are more likely to aquaplane than others, specifically BMW’s, why is this so hard to understand!

I know robm77 will be pulling me up on this and we’ve debated this many times but I’m right about this, cheers

Sorry but you are not right about this.

HTH

[RobM77]

ettore said:

RobM77 said:

I think what Scherm meant was that Brits practise a very specific type of schadenfreude. Brits always seem jealous and bitter towards those with more money than them. Drive a nice Ferrari through an Italian town and people take photos and cheer; drive a nice Lotus through a British town and people spit in it.

No they don’t?!

Certainly nowhere I’ve lived.

It's certainly my experience. I got "wker" signs made at me driving my 2-Eleven that weren't in any way related to road rage (e.g. cars that I hadn't seen before joining the road I was just sat queuing on - including one very memorable occasion!). A friend of mine used to return to his Boxster to find McDonalds bags and cups thrown in it, and was spat at on a few occasions when crawling through London traffic. Having undertaken road trips around Europe in my Elise with others in sports cars, and having friends who do the same in their sports cars, I can confidently say I've only seen this behaviour in the UK.

[kev b]

Is that old aquaplaning study still relevant?

Was it ever relevant to cars anyway, despite measuring many variables they used only one type of tyre, a cross ply aircraft tyre no less. No mention of tread depth/pattern or water dispersion characteristics either.

They also did not take any readings from worn out polished asphalt either, nor surfaces with a layer of diesel.

I would be surprised if such a simple formula was anything more than a rough guide when applied to road vehicles

However I am not a scientist so I wont flounce if anyone knows better.

[mcpoot]

ericmcn said:

I could upload a video from the commute last Monday

For the love of God please don't Eric!

I'm really not ready for more of your bizarre throttle use and appalling gearchanges.