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The torque comment refers to the ending up sliding around like no tomorrow, I had my foot on the throttle, not flat out but it was on it so I imagine in that split second, a lot more torque spun the tyre making the car snap out of line.
This wouldn’t have happened in my mums FWD Toyota RAV4 Hybrid.
As for Mr Rob, you have a lot more experience than me on the road and you are a racing driver so ofcourse in your experience of high powered BMW’s, you haven’t aquaplaned.
The general public who drive BMW’s aren’t professionals like yourself (not saying that sarcastically).
This wouldn’t have happened in my mums FWD Toyota RAV4 Hybrid.
As for Mr Rob, you have a lot more experience than me on the road and you are a racing driver so ofcourse in your experience of high powered BMW’s, you haven’t aquaplaned.
The general public who drive BMW’s aren’t professionals like yourself (not saying that sarcastically).
Chestrockwell said:
Thus, average BMW drivers like myself being more prone to accidents in the rain
That isn't aquaplaning though, that is exceeding the traction and or grip and going sideways because you used to much throttle. If you have lots of torque in a fwd car you can also end up in a crash coming off a wet roundabout, you'll just have understeered into it instead of oversteered.
AWD could prevent that somewhat, but that is not aquaplaning. Doesn't matter what wheels are driven if you hit standing water at 90mph.
av185 said:
355spiderguy said:
For the posters whom have stated 'why take a pic of someones misfortune', well ask yourself if your aghast with that, why did you click onto a thread named 'ditched ferrari'?
Good point.Now, had it said FERRARI IN A DITCH then that would be different. I'd still have clicked on it though....
Edited by OddCat on Monday 7th October 18:10
I was looking at purchasing either a 488 or a 720 S but was put off by the possibility of aqua planing. I spoke to an expert on the matter and he confirmed that the only true performance car that wouldn’t aquaplane is a Subaru Legacy. I thought he was talking rubbish but after comparing one back to back with a 918 I handed over my £4500 and left a very happy man.
ericmcn said:
It certainly helps, I was commuting on the south east last Monday and it was wet, very wet as in torrential rain. I had the entire outside lane to myself and was not exactly plodding along. I did encounter some acquaplane but nothing that would cause me to end up in a field. RWD cars have no chance of coping in such weather
Doesn't say much about a Ferrari if it can't handle a few drops of rain.
You do write some drivel on here!Doesn't say much about a Ferrari if it can't handle a few drops of rain.
Plenty of people manage to drive RWD cars without crashing or spinning off in the wet. Hell, none of my RWD cars have killed me, not even in snow.
No idea why you have such a chip on your shoulder or post you commute videos online. You must be a right barrel of laughs on a night out.
Chestrockwell said:
If one person can talk about aquaplaning, it’s going to be me.
My 4 series spun out of control on the M25 a few years ago, I was young and stupid, was doing 90 mph and lost control. Thankfully I didn’t crash !
Anyways, point is, 4 series BMW, 255 rear section Runflat’s and 225 front section Runflat’s, brickstones none the less, summer tyres. RWD with 413lbft from 2k rpm meant I was at a half facing the wrong side of the M25.
It’s my fault 100% but it wouldn’t have happened in my mums Toyota RAV4 or my dads Honda Accord.
Some cars are more likely to aquaplane than others, specifically BMW’s, why is this so hard to understand!
I know robm77 will be pulling me up on this and we’ve debated this many times but I’m right about this, cheers
Yet after all that, you still don't know what aquaplaning is My 4 series spun out of control on the M25 a few years ago, I was young and stupid, was doing 90 mph and lost control. Thankfully I didn’t crash !
Anyways, point is, 4 series BMW, 255 rear section Runflat’s and 225 front section Runflat’s, brickstones none the less, summer tyres. RWD with 413lbft from 2k rpm meant I was at a half facing the wrong side of the M25.
It’s my fault 100% but it wouldn’t have happened in my mums Toyota RAV4 or my dads Honda Accord.
Some cars are more likely to aquaplane than others, specifically BMW’s, why is this so hard to understand!
I know robm77 will be pulling me up on this and we’ve debated this many times but I’m right about this, cheers
Court_S said:
You do write some drivel on here!
Plenty of people manage to drive RWD cars without crashing or spinning off in the wet. Hell, none of my RWD cars have killed me, not even in snow.
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No no no, you've got it all wrong. Plenty of people manage to drive RWD cars without crashing or spinning off in the wet. Hell, none of my RWD cars have killed me, not even in snow.
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Having just driven my 300BHP RWD car in wet & slippy conditions I can confirm I did indeed die, not just once but twice! And when I've driven it in the snow, well my life insurers must hate me that's all I can say.
Ironically the only time I have ever aquaplaned was in my AWD Subaru many years ago
Mike335i said:
Chestrockwell said:
Thus, average BMW drivers like myself being more prone to accidents in the rain
That isn't aquaplaning though, that is exceeding the traction and or grip and going sideways because you used to much throttle. If you have lots of torque in a fwd car you can also end up in a crash coming off a wet roundabout, you'll just have understeered into it instead of oversteered.
AWD could prevent that somewhat, but that is not aquaplaning. Doesn't matter what wheels are driven if you hit standing water at 90mph.
I read up about aquaplaning and I have a phobia of driving in the rain now. Whenever I have a passenger and I’m on the motorway, I tell them what it is to prevent it from happening and I tell them to make sure they have tread on there tyres. It’s a lot easier to understand what aquaplaning is when cars are on the motorway in the wet as you can see the tyres displacing the water from beneath them.
In my case, my tyres couldn’t keep up with displacing the water thus me aquaplaning.
Your point however proves my point of BMW’s/RWD cars being more prone to it as you say a high powered FWD car can lose control coming out of a roundabout, but not in a straight line on the M25.
The ultimate example would be the Top Gear drag race in the rain. BMW M135i VS Golf GTI, the BMW never made it to the finish line and ended up on the grass.
Chestrockwell said:
Your point however proves my point of BMW’s/RWD cars being more prone to it as you say a high powered FWD car can lose control coming out of a roundabout, but not in a straight line on the M25.
The ultimate example would be the Top Gear drag race in the rain. BMW M135i VS Golf GTI, the BMW never made it to the finish line and ended up on the grass.
No, any car can loose it when they aquaplane as per the Top Gear video. That has nothing to do with driven wheels or how much power a car has. A 50 hp LADA can aquaplane. The ultimate example would be the Top Gear drag race in the rain. BMW M135i VS Golf GTI, the BMW never made it to the finish line and ended up on the grass.
Loss of traction / grip is through too much throttle is different to aquaplaning. That won't happen in a straight line unless you are really trying hard, and most likely only from a standing start.
I don't have any problems with over or understeer on the road in my car because I drive to the conditions. The only time I have experienced a dramatic loss of grip and ended up sideways uncontrollably, was at 10mph on sheet ice in a fwd diesel hatchback.
I have had our Alfa try and push wide coming off a wet roundabout when it had naff tyres on, but that was easily corrected. Doesn't do it with good tyres fitted. BMW doesn't have any issue putting the power down in the wet.
t they put a little air in the tyres Chestrockwell said:
Mike335i said:
Chestrockwell said:
Thus, average BMW drivers like myself being more prone to accidents in the rain
That isn't aquaplaning though, that is exceeding the traction and or grip and going sideways because you used to much throttle. If you have lots of torque in a fwd car you can also end up in a crash coming off a wet roundabout, you'll just have understeered into it instead of oversteered.
AWD could prevent that somewhat, but that is not aquaplaning. Doesn't matter what wheels are driven if you hit standing water at 90mph.
I read up about aquaplaning and I have a phobia of driving in the rain now. Whenever I have a passenger and I’m on the motorway, I tell them what it is to prevent it from happening and I tell them to make sure they have tread on there tyres. It’s a lot easier to understand what aquaplaning is when cars are on the motorway in the wet as you can see the tyres displacing the water from beneath them.
In my case, my tyres couldn’t keep up with displacing the water thus me aquaplaning.
Your point however proves my point of BMW’s/RWD cars being more prone to it as you say a high powered FWD car can lose control coming out of a roundabout, but not in a straight line on the M25.
The ultimate example would be the Top Gear drag race in the rain. BMW M135i VS Golf GTI, the BMW never made it to the finish line and ended up on the grass.
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