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LordHaveMurci said:
No no no, you've got it all wrong.
Having just driven my 300BHP RWD car in wet & slippy conditions I can confirm I did indeed die, not just once but twice! And when I've driven it in the snow, well my life insurers must hate me that's all I can say.
Ironically the only time I have ever aquaplaned was in my AWD Subaru many years ago
Never! According to Eric, the AWD Subaru is the most impressive car in the roads as hid videos show when he’s destroying those pesky BMW’s.Having just driven my 300BHP RWD car in wet & slippy conditions I can confirm I did indeed die, not just once but twice! And when I've driven it in the snow, well my life insurers must hate me that's all I can say.
Ironically the only time I have ever aquaplaned was in my AWD Subaru many years ago
SidewaysSi said:
You do realise that TG is made up BS right?
Top gear is made up BS most of the time, dialogue and ‘accidentally’ scraping the splitter of an aventador which definitely has lift but I don’t think clarkson spun the M135i out on purpose, it aquaplaned the same way my BMW aquaplaned. The Golf GTI didn’t aquaplane because it was FWD. I’m not saying it can’t aquaplane but it’s less likely to aquaplane Chestrockwell said:
Top gear is made up BS most of the time, dialogue and ‘accidentally’ scraping the splitter of an aventador which definitely has lift but I don’t think clarkson spun the M135i out on purpose, it aquaplaned the same way my BMW aquaplaned. The Golf GTI didn’t aquaplane because it was FWD. I’m not saying it can’t aquaplane but it’s less likely to aquaplane
It didn't aquaplane as it didn't go through the same standing water, it was on the other side of the track. Chestrockwell said:
SidewaysSi said:
You do realise that TG is made up BS right?
Top gear is made up BS most of the time, dialogue and ‘accidentally’ scraping the splitter of an aventador which definitely has lift but I don’t think clarkson spun the M135i out on purpose, it aquaplaned the same way my BMW aquaplaned. The Golf GTI didn’t aquaplane because it was FWD. I’m not saying it can’t aquaplane but it’s less likely to aquaplane Maybe you should get some driving instruction?
Chestrockwell said:
SidewaysSi said:
You do realise that TG is made up BS right?
Top gear is made up BS most of the time, dialogue and ‘accidentally’ scraping the splitter of an aventador which definitely has lift but I don’t think clarkson spun the M135i out on purpose, it aquaplaned the same way my BMW aquaplaned. The Golf GTI didn’t aquaplane because it was FWD. I’m not saying it can’t aquaplane but it’s less likely to aquaplane Once a car HAS aquaplaned the consequences of keeping your foot down will be different depending whether your car is FWD, RWD or AWD but the driven wheels do not have any influence on whether a car aquaplanes.
Chestrockwell said:
Top gear is made up BS most of the time, dialogue and ‘accidentally’ scraping the splitter of an aventador which definitely has lift but I don’t think clarkson spun the M135i out on purpose, it aquaplaned the same way my BMW aquaplaned. The Golf GTI didn’t aquaplane because it was FWD. I’m not saying it can’t aquaplane but it’s less likely to aquaplane
Get some driver training. m3jappa said:
And this is why even after all these years i still read pistonheads daily.
Its the only place i know of where someone posts pictures of a crashed car and within a handful of posts you've got people doing pictures of mugs, t-shirts and whatever else there is that I'm sure will come by the next time i look on here
Haha complete lunacy isn't it. Nearly every thread derails within a page.Its the only place i know of where someone posts pictures of a crashed car and within a handful of posts you've got people doing pictures of mugs, t-shirts and whatever else there is that I'm sure will come by the next time i look on here
Chestrockwell said:
Top gear is made up BS most of the time, dialogue and ‘accidentally’ scraping the splitter of an aventador which definitely has lift but I don’t think clarkson spun the M135i out on purpose, it aquaplaned the same way my BMW aquaplaned. The Golf GTI didn’t aquaplane because it was FWD. I’m not saying it can’t aquaplane but it’s less likely to aquaplane
Just two things:1) What aquaplaning is: When a tyre rolls on a wet surface, pressure from the weight of the car squeezes the water into the treads, which is then expelled out of the back of the contact patch (you see this as spray). The amount of water a tyre can clear is related to that pressure (weight of the vehicle and size of contact patch); the tread's design and depth; and the speed of the vehicle (which is related to the amount of water the car has to clear per second). This is exactly the same as when you stand in a puddle: the pressure on the sole of your shoes forces the water aside and you sink down and touch the tarmac. A paper boat floats in a puddle because it doesn't put enough pressure down to part the water (which exerts a pressure back on the boat) and sink, so it sits on top of it (its buoyancy is an upward force from the water equal to the weight of the water it displaces, because that's the force the water normally has to exert on other water to stay in equilibrium). Back to the car: if the tyre cannot clear enough water as it rolls, it becomes overwhelmed and it will skim along on top of the water - that is aquaplaning. Whether that wheel has drive going to it is irrelevant.
2) Your explanation: If you still believe the driven wheels have an effect, then can you please explain why.
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 8th October 09:16
RobM77 said:
yonex said:
Top gear is made up BS most of the time, dialogue and ‘accidentally’ scraping the splitter of an aventador which definitely has lift but I don’t think clarkson spun the M135i out on purpose, it aquaplaned the same way my BMW aquaplaned. The Golf GTI didn’t aquaplane because it was FWD. I’m not saying it can’t aquaplane but it’s less likely to aquaplane
Just two things:1) What aquaplaning is: When a tyre rolls on a wet surface, pressure from the weight of the car squeezes the water into the treads, which is then expelled out of the back of the contact patch (you see this as spray). The amount of water a tyre can clear is related to that pressure (weight of the vehicle and size of contact patch); the tread's design and depth; and the speed of the vehicle. This is exactly the same as when you stand in a puddle: the pressure on the sole of your shoes forces the water aside and you sink down and touch the tarmac. A paper boat floats in a puddle because it doesn't put enough pressure down to part the water (which exerts a pressure back on the boat) and sink, so it sits on top of it (its buoyancy is an upward force from the water equal to the weight of the water it displaces, because that's the force the water normally has to exert on other water to stay in equilibrium). Back to the car: if the tyre cannot clear enough water as it rolls, it becomes overwhelmed and it will skim along on top of the water - that is aquaplaning. Whether that wheel has drive going to it is irrelevant.
2) [/i]Your explanation[/i]: If you still believe the driven wheels have an effect, then can you please explain why.
Aquaplaning is entirely possible on a drag strip straight road with zero steering angle and is the result of the loss of contact due to excess water, and nothing to do with the excessive use of the loud pedal. That is throttle induced wheelspin.
RobM77 said:
Just two things:
1) What aquaplaning is: When a tyre rolls on a wet surface, pressure from the weight of the car squeezes the water into the treads, which is then expelled out of the back of the contact patch (you see this as spray). The amount of water a tyre can clear is related to that pressure (weight of the vehicle and size of contact patch); the tread's design and depth; and the speed of the vehicle. This is exactly the same as when you stand in a puddle: the pressure on the sole of your shoes forces the water aside and you sink down and touch the tarmac. A paper boat floats in a puddle because it doesn't put enough pressure down to part the water (which exerts a pressure back on the boat) and sink, so it sits on top of it (its buoyancy is an upward force from the water equal to the weight of the water it displaces, because that's the force the water normally has to exert on other water to stay in equilibrium). Back to the car: if the tyre cannot clear enough water as it rolls, it becomes overwhelmed and it will skim along on top of the water - that is aquaplaning. Whether that wheel has drive going to it is irrelevant.
2) Your explanation: If you still believe the driven wheels have an effect, then can you please explain why.
Not my quote 1) What aquaplaning is: When a tyre rolls on a wet surface, pressure from the weight of the car squeezes the water into the treads, which is then expelled out of the back of the contact patch (you see this as spray). The amount of water a tyre can clear is related to that pressure (weight of the vehicle and size of contact patch); the tread's design and depth; and the speed of the vehicle. This is exactly the same as when you stand in a puddle: the pressure on the sole of your shoes forces the water aside and you sink down and touch the tarmac. A paper boat floats in a puddle because it doesn't put enough pressure down to part the water (which exerts a pressure back on the boat) and sink, so it sits on top of it (its buoyancy is an upward force from the water equal to the weight of the water it displaces, because that's the force the water normally has to exert on other water to stay in equilibrium). Back to the car: if the tyre cannot clear enough water as it rolls, it becomes overwhelmed and it will skim along on top of the water - that is aquaplaning. Whether that wheel has drive going to it is irrelevant.
2) Your explanation: If you still believe the driven wheels have an effect, then can you please explain why.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 8th October 08:58
Hol said:
RobM77 said:
yonex said:
Top gear is made up BS most of the time, dialogue and ‘accidentally’ scraping the splitter of an aventador which definitely has lift but I don’t think clarkson spun the M135i out on purpose, it aquaplaned the same way my BMW aquaplaned. The Golf GTI didn’t aquaplane because it was FWD. I’m not saying it can’t aquaplane but it’s less likely to aquaplane
Just two things:1) What aquaplaning is: When a tyre rolls on a wet surface, pressure from the weight of the car squeezes the water into the treads, which is then expelled out of the back of the contact patch (you see this as spray). The amount of water a tyre can clear is related to that pressure (weight of the vehicle and size of contact patch); the tread's design and depth; and the speed of the vehicle. This is exactly the same as when you stand in a puddle: the pressure on the sole of your shoes forces the water aside and you sink down and touch the tarmac. A paper boat floats in a puddle because it doesn't put enough pressure down to part the water (which exerts a pressure back on the boat) and sink, so it sits on top of it (its buoyancy is an upward force from the water equal to the weight of the water it displaces, because that's the force the water normally has to exert on other water to stay in equilibrium). Back to the car: if the tyre cannot clear enough water as it rolls, it becomes overwhelmed and it will skim along on top of the water - that is aquaplaning. Whether that wheel has drive going to it is irrelevant.
2) [/i]Your explanation[/i]: If you still believe the driven wheels have an effect, then can you please explain why.
Aquaplaning is entirely possible on a drag strip straight road with zero steering angle and is the result of the loss of contact due to excess water, and nothing to do with the excessive use of the loud pedal. That is throttle induced wheelspin.
ericmcn said:
yonex said:
Do you actually believe the s
t you write?
The people writing st you write? t are the ones like yourself shattering the irony meter into a million pieces by saying Subaru's end up in recovery trucks, from a BMW fanboy none the less, a brand proudly stuck at the bottom of all recent reliability surveys for years now. IdiotPlus seems you can't handle the truth I guess, must suck with owning RWD cars, I could upload a video from the commute last Monday but its getting a bit boring now however it was fun overtaking all the lesser German cars driving gently in heavy rain...
How's the leased out derv going?
Edited by ericmcn on Monday 7th October 13:02
No doubt not understanding RWD leads you to make totally incorrect assumptions
Kawasicki said:
I think RWD cars generally have less stability when they are aquaplaning than a typical FWD car, due to weight distribution.
Once a car is aquaplaning the weight distribution, driven wheels and engine placement mean fk all.I seriously doubt the Ferrari in o/p aquaplaned anyway as I doubt they were going fast enough. Much more likely the driver booted it and lost it.
Kawasicki said:
I think RWD cars generally have less stability when they are aquaplaning than a typical FWD car, due to weight distribution.
I was going to mention this actually. Once a car is aquaplaning it won't stay still, it'll usually gently start to rotate (very little in the real world has true net zero force on it), and any tendency to decelerate will exacerbate this. Weight distribution plays a part in how it'll move.thiscocks said:
Kawasicki said:
I think RWD cars generally have less stability when they are aquaplaning than a typical FWD car, due to weight distribution.
Once a car is aquaplaning the weight distribution, driven wheels and engine placement mean fk all.I seriously doubt the Ferrari in o/p aquaplaned anyway as I doubt they were going fast enough. Much more likely the driver booted it and lost it.
Although I suspect you might be right and a lot of what gets attributed to aquaplaning to sooth a bruised ego is often really just a derp on a wet low grip surface. Although same rules apply.
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