RE: Honda Integra Type R (DC5) | Spotted

RE: Honda Integra Type R (DC5) | Spotted

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havoc

24,640 posts

182 months

Friday 11th October
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SidewaysSi said:
I am recently a member of the Subaru brotherhood. Feel I need to buy a baseball cap and a few gold chains now...That should definitely make me (even more of) a socket smile Not sure I will be attending any owners club meets..!

I very nearly bought a FD2 but went Subaru in the end. Time will tell if it was the right decision...
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Christ, your only choices were a Civic Type R and a Subaru?!? You've gotta have fake burberry underwear and an under-age girlfriend... hehewink

Which Scooby, BTW? Old-school import, the latest STi saloon, or a Legacy/Forester* wagon?



BTW - had my FD2 6+ years now, and drove neighbour's 67-plate WRX STi earlier this year - new Scooby is more grown up than the old stuff and very composed and quick, but it feels a lot heavier than the Civic and has a slower front-end (most things do), plus I'm not sure I'd want to try unsticking the rear without some space around me. That said, the seats were better than my Civic, as was the interior, and there's no contest in the mid-range. Feel/feedback still pretty good for a modern car too.
Feels like a Germanic version of a v.8 STi, if you see what I mean. Mostly in a good way, unless you like hardcore machinery or going sideways.



* I've got rather a soft-spot for the Forester STi...ugly but well hung, as the saying goes...definitely a true petrolhead's car not a look-at-me big-exhaust-in-waiting (yep...probably 80-90% of our neighbour's customers rock up for exhaust repairs, or at least it sounds that way from in our office... biggrin )

SidewaysSi

5,959 posts

181 months

Friday 11th October
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Yep they were the choices - didn't want a new German as reliability scares me and I have an old BMW when I want something vaguely practical yet fun.

So I went for a Forester STI. Tweaked to 320bhp, with Cusco coilovers and H&S exhaust. It's the sensible family car...smile

Lots of boot space though rear room is a bit tight. Overall it is a laugh - quick, rare, sounds good, practical etc. Filled it with all sorts of junk including bikes etc and took it to France for our holiday for a week. Was good fun on the D roads smile

It however needs a sharper front end and more steering feel but otherwise it is great. There are modifications which can be done to the rack bushings and steering arms (thinking pillow ball stuff from the Impreza RA-R) which should sort it out nicely. Will speak to some specialists and do those tweaks soon I think. Then it will be pretty much perfect for my needs.

Handling balance it interesting - plenty of power oversteer on wet roundabouts - my 3 year old son loves it. Maybe even more than the Elise...


Edited by SidewaysSi on Friday 11th October 23:10

300bhp/ton

37,679 posts

137 months

Friday 11th October
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SidewaysSi said:
havoc said:
SidewaysSi said:
Only problem with most practical Hondas is you can't power oversteer them. Which is obviously a big issue..
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I always used to try and get at least one drift in on the school run - there were a couple of cracking roundabouts!

yonex said:
It really does seem that the average Subaru owner is an absolute socket biggrin
Not sure that your average Civic driver is much better (I'm certainly not! wink ), but you're spot on. We're next to a reputed Scooby tuner and whilst the guys running it are sound, some of the customers you come across...
I am recently a member of the Subaru brotherhood. Feel I need to buy a baseball cap and a few gold chains now...That should definitely make me (even more of) a socket smile Not sure I will be attending any owners club meets..!

I very nearly bought a FD2 but went Subaru in the end. Time will tell if it was the right decision...
I must admit I did like my Subaru. But for me it had a major issue. It was too capable.

You needed to be near or into triple figures to really enjoy it. And it was just so easy to get to those speeds. Even in less than ideal conditions.

And to top it all, mine wasn’t even a fast example. Just a UK spec Turbo 2000 classic. I also found it was somewhat dull to just potter about in. But suspect a Honda would be similar here too.

And lastly mine l, despite being main dealer serviced most of its life. Low’ish mileage and mostly run exclusively on superunleaded. Still needed an engine rebuild. Twice!

SidewaysSi

5,959 posts

181 months

Saturday 12th October
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300bhp/ton said:
SidewaysSi said:
havoc said:
SidewaysSi said:
Only problem with most practical Hondas is you can't power oversteer them. Which is obviously a big issue..
yes

I always used to try and get at least one drift in on the school run - there were a couple of cracking roundabouts!

yonex said:
It really does seem that the average Subaru owner is an absolute socket biggrin
Not sure that your average Civic driver is much better (I'm certainly not! wink ), but you're spot on. We're next to a reputed Scooby tuner and whilst the guys running it are sound, some of the customers you come across...
I am recently a member of the Subaru brotherhood. Feel I need to buy a baseball cap and a few gold chains now...That should definitely make me (even more of) a socket smile Not sure I will be attending any owners club meets..!

I very nearly bought a FD2 but went Subaru in the end. Time will tell if it was the right decision...
I must admit I did like my Subaru. But for me it had a major issue. It was too capable.

You needed to be near or into triple figures to really enjoy it. And it was just so easy to get to those speeds. Even in less than ideal conditions.

And to top it all, mine wasn’t even a fast example. Just a UK spec Turbo 2000 classic. I also found it was somewhat dull to just potter about in. But suspect a Honda would be similar here too.

And lastly mine l, despite being main dealer serviced most of its life. Low’ish mileage and mostly run exclusively on superunleaded. Still needed an engine rebuild. Twice!
I do love the look of the classic Impreza, particularly the 215bhp car with the bigger wing.

Yep they are a bit too capable of you want to just slide them everywhere. Saying that, at low speeds mine seems quite easy to get sideways on road - it is around 300 ft lbs from just under 3k to over 6k revs with a 225 section tyre. A Whiteline rear ARB is meant to make it even easier...

If I am faced with a £5k bill for an engine rebuild in a couple of years, happy to stump up and probably go forged at the same time. The way I look at it is even then I would be in for £16k or so and what other family car at that level is as joyous?

As said above the thing they lack dynamically is shedloads of steering feel but I think there are ways to sort that out.

It was Dan's ongoing updates on his car that swayed me..

https://www.pistonheads.com/regulars/ph-fleet/suba...

Elatino1

461 posts

8 months

Saturday 12th October
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yonex said:
Elatino1 said:
Sorry dear but I wasn't looking down my nose at anyone. I also wasn't the one bringing peoples profession into things. Seems odd that you are so curious about such things.

Is this really all because I dared mention that a turbocharged might rev as high as this N/A car? Get the pitchforks. rolleyes The Honda love sure does seem somewhat fanatical.
Not really. It’s just obvious you don’t know that much about K20’s. Are you just a desperate troll who doesn’t like facts or plain rude when someone questions you?

Builder eh, do you have an accountant yourself?
Sorry but I know plenty about K20s and have previously owned one. Friends have had a few and the supercharged one went pop within 6 months of the conversion.

Not sure what your obsession with professions is. The sleuthing seems the type of thing a real oddball would do.

yonex

15,460 posts

115 months

Saturday 12th October
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Wow, what a surprise a sc installation went bang.

Elatino1

461 posts

8 months

Saturday 12th October
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yonex said:
Wow, what a surprise a sc installation went bang.
Indeed, quite a contrast to the chap that said they easily run boosted at double the standard horsepower. Plenty don't.

Butter Face

19,428 posts

107 months

Saturday 12th October
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Elatino1 said:
yonex said:
Wow, what a surprise a sc installation went bang.
Indeed, quite a contrast to the chap that said they easily run boosted at double the standard horsepower. Plenty don't.
Normally down the the tune TBH.

yonex

15,460 posts

115 months

Saturday 12th October
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Elatino1 said:
Indeed, quite a contrast to the chap that said they easily run boosted at double the standard horsepower. Plenty don't.
A standard K20 is certainly a stronger engine than an EJ20. And when built properly something like a K24/20 will make loads of reliable power. All irrelevant, stock vs stock no question that the Honda is a better engine. Only a Subaru fanboy would say otherwise?

sheepman

246 posts

107 months

Saturday 12th October
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I love the look of DC5's and will probably end up swapping my EP3 for one eventually.

My EP3 has been rotrexed For 5 years doing many many trackdays and the engines just fine. The supercharger on the other hand cry

yonex

15,460 posts

115 months

Saturday 12th October
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Butter Face said:
Normally down the the tune TBH.
I would trust a K20 running 330-350 + at the track unless it had a few belts and braces.

Cue, I’m running 600 HP on 120 octane, it’s perfect etc.... smile

iphonedyou

7,595 posts

104 months

Saturday 12th October
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First time I've ever heard the DC5's looks described as marmite.

They're beautiful things.

Had a stage 1 2001 DC5 for a year back in 2009. Lovely car.

Gearbox was as soft as cheese though; second gear slip out tarnished the experienced a little.

Elatino1

461 posts

8 months

Saturday 12th October
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yonex said:
Elatino1 said:
Indeed, quite a contrast to the chap that said they easily run boosted at double the standard horsepower. Plenty don't.
A standard K20 is certainly a stronger engine than an EJ20. And when built properly something like a K24/20 will make loads of reliable power. All irrelevant, stock vs stock no question that the Honda is a better engine. Only a Subaru fanboy would say otherwise?


Lol at being a one brand fanboy, I am far from that. I have 4 cars all from different nations and have had Hondas previously too, so quite far from being a fanboy especialy compared to most people around here that seem so narrow minded. Likely that may relate to yourself.

Stock vs stock (standard vs standard here in the UK) there's no question that the Subaru is a better engine. Reliability wise as it is running a fraction of the power and torque the K20 will obviously be more reliable but better,(standard vs standard) certainly not.

yonex

15,460 posts

115 months

Saturday 12th October
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Elatino1 said:
Stock vs stock (standard vs standard here in the UK) there's no question that the Subaru is a better engine. Reliability wise as it is running a fraction of the power and torque the K20 will obviously be more reliable but better,(standard vs standard) certainly not.
What you post is a mixture of nonsense and made up facts.

Spun bearings, #4 cylinder issues, HGF, all common on the boxer lump. A K20 will take as much if not more power than the stock turbocharged EJ20 and it’s only when that engine is NA, making much less power that it has a good record. Not to mention they drink fuel despite not being that powerful.

Prove the figures wrong.


Elatino1

461 posts

8 months

Saturday 12th October
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yonex said:
What you post is a mixture of nonsense and made up facts.

Spun bearings, #4 cylinder issues, HGF, all common on the boxer lump. A K20 will take as much if not more power than the stock turbocharged EJ20 and it’s only when that engine is NA, making much less power that it has a good record. Not to mention they drink fuel despite not being that powerful.

Prove the figures wrong.
It seems you are very confused.

1) What "made up facts" have I mentioned?

2) So you want to compare modified engines now? confused You seem to be confusing ej20 engines as all being the same when in fact there are various different types. I was talking jdm. They are very reliable.

3) What figures are you expecting me to prove wrong? I haven't seen you provide any.....

yonex

15,460 posts

115 months

Saturday 12th October
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Elatino1 said:
std vs std, here in the UK
Elatino1 said:
You seem to be confusing ej20 engines as all being the same when in fact there are various different types. I was talking jdm. They are very reliable.
How can one argue with such massive knowledge rofl




Elatino1

461 posts

8 months

Saturday 12th October
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yonex said:
How can one argue with such massive knowledge rofl
I see you have totally ignored the questions. What facts and figures were you talking about again?

You do know there are JDM cars in the UK yes? I assumed that was common knowledge and that it would be obvious by my original comment in this thread that I was talking about the cars that rev to 8k.

You seem to be going for some kind of point scoring tactic with childish memes as if you are trying to "win" something rather than actually debate a point.

I'm guessing that you are about 12 years old so will leave it there if you can't even have a grown up conversation.

yonex

15,460 posts

115 months

Saturday 12th October
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Elatino1 said:
I see you have totally ignored the questions. What facts and figures were you talking about again?

You do know there are JDM cars in the UK yes? I assumed that was common knowledge and that it would be obvious by my original comment in this thread that I was talking about the cars that rev to 8k.

You seem to be going for some kind of point scoring tactic with childish memes as if you are trying to "win" something rather than actually debate a point.

I'm guessing that you are about 12 years old so will leave it there if you can't even have a grown up conversation.
From the moment you entered the thread, it's gone down the toilet. I really can't be bothered.

Well done.

Elatino1

461 posts

8 months

Saturday 12th October
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No, you just don't seem to be able to have an adult conversation and still won't answer the questions I had from your post where you state "facts and figures" yet won't actually say what you are talking about.....

I entered the thread with a harmless "even my Subaru revs to 8k rpm" and you just have to stretch it out for pages yet won't actually converse or elaborate on your posts but just want to score internet points, I don't understand what thrill that gives you.

yonex

15,460 posts

115 months

Saturday 12th October
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With your expert opinion.

Why is the K20 not a good engine, why is the EJ20 so much better?

This should be fascinating biggrin