RE: The Second Coming of the S6 | PH Footnote

RE: The Second Coming of the S6 | PH Footnote

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RichardDastardly

157 posts

64 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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I suspect Audi owes a lot of it’s current market position to the ‘chimps’ who used to be in charge of their product development.

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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annodomini2 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
Bill said:
annodomini2 said:
Especially as in general use the A6 is of anything too big for the UK.
Huh?!?
The RS6 does not fit in normal car parking spaces, even my space at home it sticks out way over each end by some way
Front doors being long and very thick doesn't help either.
Having not looked at the exact figures, all I'll say is Audi managed to fit a whole old-A4 sized saloon model (the A3 saloon) under the A4 range, so in turn the A4 got bigger as did the A6.

I was going to say the S6 should be fitted with the 3.0 TFSI V6 from the S5, but on balance I don't really care as I don't want an Audi and will never buy one. I used to thin the S4 B5 with the 2.7 twin turbo and the 4.2 B6 was nice - albeit blunt objects - but gone so far off Audi I don't care if the next RS6 is a V8 TDI..

the_hood

771 posts

195 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Krikkit said:
Mike335i said:
I'm not sure I get the point of it though. Is a 50tdi that much slower to make the premium worth it?
No, not at all.

Totally pointless to me, no one will convince me that an Sx Audi should have an oil burner.
This. With the previous gen you could make the case for stepping up form the S-Line diesel. With this, it is just a higher trim level.

PorkRind

3,053 posts

206 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Court_S said:
It is a good point about differentiating it from the RS6.

I see a lot of modern RS cars about but very few if an S Cars (other than the S3).

It still seems like an odd choice now given the move away from diesel and with the VW diesel scandal still in people’s memories.
Yes, I totally agree with you.

woollyjoe

1,330 posts

120 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Petrol s cars in europe didn’t sell in any numbers.

They need an s range.

V6 Diesel block needs to go somewhere.

Diesel sales falling off cliff so someone cleverly added this up to revive the diesel story.

I can’t imagine anyone buying these. Then there will be huge incentives and dealer contributions and people will buy the few, and then depreciation.


Kenny Powers

2,618 posts

128 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Lovely looking car. Brilliantly written article as always from Mr. Prosser.

I don't really like the idea of it being a diesel, but I have a feeling that I probably would if I were actually in the market and drove it.

Plate spinner

17,729 posts

201 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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whp1983 said:
Hmm... and yet if Audi really thought that they wouldn’t have continued with the S6, S5 and S7 being petrol in other areas- USA for example.

Bottom line is they needed to reduce CO2 across the group in Europe and had a ton of Diesel engines around that were destined for large Porsches.

It’s a marriage of spare parts and legislation, sadly not engineering.
Agreed, they’re marketing their way out of an internal problem.

runnerbean 14

274 posts

135 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Well, I'd definitely buy one. I'm just back from a quick 750-mile trip in its older sibling, a 2018 A4 Allroad 3-litre diesel with 'only' 268 hp and 443 lbs ft.

It went like a dingbat and returned over 40 mpg so minimal stops for fuel - couldn't have done that in a V10. Quiet, compliant, comfortable, brilliant B&O sound system, swallowed huge amounts of luggage including three people and a dog and never missed a beat. What's not to like - 143 gms/km CO2 and AdBlue so minimal NO2.

jason61c

5,978 posts

175 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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I’ve the 320bhp version of this In am A6 Allroad. In anything but a tight B road, not much would quicker in the real world, while averaging near 40mpg, 600mile range

Diesels are not going to vanish. They’ll be around longer than Teslas cars will bed


konster296

155 posts

78 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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The fact that it has the same engine as the S4 puts me off it as there's no differentiation.
I think it should've come with a detuned version of the diesel V8 from the SQ7.

ruggedscotty

5,629 posts

210 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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S4 / S6...

used to be along the lines of the S4 was for enjoying the twisties in while the S6 was a distance crusher. much like the BMW M3 M5 debate.

stepping out the world of advertising and ultimate petrol headed snobbery.... having run two A6 diesel V6's a C6 and then a C7 I can say that in real terms those engines are amazing mills. the torque is what matters and it has it in buckets and at low revs. what do you want when you need to cross countries, a highly strung petrol or a diesel express ?

A tuned V6 giving 300hp with 600nm and quattro all wheel drive, it has for the past two years given me trouble free rapid transport, what is there not to like. give it a sporty flavor and would it really mater what pump the S6 drinks from

ChocolateFrog

25,470 posts

174 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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A new low in exhaust fakery, I just couldn't.


ChocolateFrog

25,470 posts

174 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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RichardDastardly said:
I suspect Audi owes a lot of it’s current market position to the ‘chimps’ who used to be in charge of their product development.
Unlike the author, I miss the 'chimps' being in charge.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,068 posts

99 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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I think Audi have done the right thing here. Needed to differentiate more between S6 and RS6.

Diesels don't sell in the US, hence it makes perfect sense not to do this over there.

theboss

6,919 posts

220 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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wab172uk said:
I would assume more S4 & S6 sales are company lease deals anyway. So maybe Diesel make more sense and may actually push up sales. Like you say not many S4 & S6 cars on our roads, but loads of 340d, 540d, and equivalent mercs.

The S3 (I have a Saloon) is a smaller car and being an A3, falls more into the private buyers bracket, where most people will probably opt for Petrol, given the lower annual miles compared to a company car owner.

I always like the S4. It was a sports saloon. But it's grown into a big car now, so not likely to be bought by private owners looking for a sporty Saloon car. That is now the S3.
BMW don’t seem to be competing with this any more - since the F10/11 535d the new G3x model is only available as 530d or 540i in 6-cylinder forms. 540d and 550d aren’t sold in the UK. Would love to be proven wrong.

ZX10R NIN

27,641 posts

126 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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I have to say I like the concept I look forward to having the chance to drive one for a while in the new year but the combination makes sense to me.

Shiv_P

2,750 posts

106 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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The S6 never sold well. Don't know why this is so outrageous. I see far far far more C7 RS6 than S6.

The Vambo

6,648 posts

142 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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Baldchap said:
Does anyone genuinely care about dieselgate though?
Yeah me, I really appreciate VW giving me a more powerful yet cheaper to tax car for my money.

Uncle John

4,300 posts

192 months

Saturday 12th October 2019
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ChocolateFrog said:
A new low in exhaust fakery, I just couldn't.

Agree.

That is amateurish and unforgivable.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 13th October 2019
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My S6 manual saloon hails from 1995 and has the ur-q 5-cyl twin-turbo petrol. Economical, sounds glorious, goes like the clappers, comfy and fun to drive. Every subsequent S6 fails to match up.