RE: The Second Coming of the S6 | PH Footnote
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Uncle John said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Agree.
That is amateurish and unforgivable.
Shiv_P said:
The S6 never sold well. Don't know why this is so outrageous. I see far far far more C7 RS6 than S6.
It's a sad state of affairs when you have to remove a V10 petrol engine - with a Lamborghini link (however tenuous) - and replace it with a smaller Diesel engine to sell your supposed sporty estate.Some would almost say that's a step backwards.
This reminds me of Harry Metcalfe's observation that many of his supercar owning acquaintances who have something very tasty in the garage were buying Panamera Diesels. This was because of their ability to do a long journey on a single tank with adequate performance and consumate comfort. I think the S6 will serve this real world market well. If your performance car is something else or the practicalities of long journeys demand it then this makes perfect sense. I have never understood the principled resistance to diesel engines on this forum. We live in an era where 100hp/ton outputs are regularly and reliably extracted from diesel engines with peak torque figures that would sufficient for a tank. Frankly I find that amazing. Well done Audi.
Zygot said:
Technically brilliant.
Practically pointless.
A cynical marketing exercise.
Pointless is subjective. Clearly some people will see the point in owning one, or Audi wouldn't be building them. Unless we expect them to sell none at all, which is obviously an unreasonable expectation. "Pointless" seems to be commonly conflated these days with "I don't have a need for this vehicle at this time".Practically pointless.
A cynical marketing exercise.
As for cynical marketing exercise, well sure, car makers in "car makers make cars to make money" shocker
People keep slobbering on about it being named an 'S', and that 'well in that case, why not get a 50 TDi then?'. Well, why not then just get the 40TDi by that logic? The S6 has more than 60bhp more than the 50TDi, so a wee bit more than just a trim level.
Or would it make you feel better if it was called a 55 TDi instead? Would that then suddenly make it a better car? To be honest, I just regard it as the long awaited replacement for the BiTDi, and would be my perfect all round car. I'm still banging around in my old C6 3.0 TDi Quattro, but I've had it 10 years now, have over 206k miles on it. On super-long motorway runs I can regularly get 1000km to a tank (yeah, ok, I do deal in miles - but a nice round '1000km' sounded kinda cool!), with the remap I had done on it the day after I bought it, I've had a GPS verified 154mph out of it (160+mph on the clock), my dogs love it, will take my whitewater kayak INSIDE (the sea-kayak admittedly has to go on the roof), regularly pulls my race bikes to the track and with 4WD, just laughs off every bit of crap weather that gets thrown at it.
Call it a 55TDi, call it an S6, I don't really car either way: if I had the moolah, I'd buy one in a heartbeat to demolish the 95% of the driving/grinding I need to do on a daily/weekly basis - I simply couldn't imagine a better car suited for my needs (well, apart from maybe a Merc E400D 4Matic. However a Beemer is not an option, as unfortunately BMW's are generally driven by BMW owners.;) )
Or would it make you feel better if it was called a 55 TDi instead? Would that then suddenly make it a better car? To be honest, I just regard it as the long awaited replacement for the BiTDi, and would be my perfect all round car. I'm still banging around in my old C6 3.0 TDi Quattro, but I've had it 10 years now, have over 206k miles on it. On super-long motorway runs I can regularly get 1000km to a tank (yeah, ok, I do deal in miles - but a nice round '1000km' sounded kinda cool!), with the remap I had done on it the day after I bought it, I've had a GPS verified 154mph out of it (160+mph on the clock), my dogs love it, will take my whitewater kayak INSIDE (the sea-kayak admittedly has to go on the roof), regularly pulls my race bikes to the track and with 4WD, just laughs off every bit of crap weather that gets thrown at it.
Call it a 55TDi, call it an S6, I don't really car either way: if I had the moolah, I'd buy one in a heartbeat to demolish the 95% of the driving/grinding I need to do on a daily/weekly basis - I simply couldn't imagine a better car suited for my needs (well, apart from maybe a Merc E400D 4Matic. However a Beemer is not an option, as unfortunately BMW's are generally driven by BMW owners.;) )
Arsecati said:
People keep slobbering on about it being named an 'S', and that 'well in that case, why not get a 50 TDi then?'. Well, why not then just get the 40TDi by that logic? The S6 has more than 60bhp more than the 50TDi, so a wee bit more than just a trim level.
Or would it make you feel better if it was called a 55 TDi instead? Would that then suddenly make it a better car? To be honest, I just regard it as the long awaited replacement for the BiTDi, and would be my perfect all round car. I'm still banging around in my old C6 3.0 TDi Quattro, but I've had it 10 years now, have over 206k miles on it. On super-long motorway runs I can regularly get 1000km to a tank (yeah, ok, I do deal in miles - but a nice round '1000km' sounded kinda cool!), with the remap I had done on it the day after I bought it, I've had a GPS verified 154mph out of it (160+mph on the clock), my dogs love it, will take my whitewater kayak INSIDE (the sea-kayak admittedly has to go on the roof), regularly pulls my race bikes to the track and with 4WD, just laughs off every bit of crap weather that gets thrown at it.
Call it a 55TDi, call it an S6, I don't really car either way: if I had the moolah, I'd buy one in a heartbeat to demolish the 95% of the driving/grinding I need to do on a daily/weekly basis - I simply couldn't imagine a better car suited for my needs (well, apart from maybe a Merc E400D 4Matic. However a Beemer is not an option, as unfortunately BMW's are generally driven by BMW owners.;) )
There was me about to congratulate you on a well written post, to the point and reflecting my own opinion on this S6. Then you had to let yourself down with a cliched BMW comment that could as easily be directed at drivers of many a brand, Audi most definately included.Or would it make you feel better if it was called a 55 TDi instead? Would that then suddenly make it a better car? To be honest, I just regard it as the long awaited replacement for the BiTDi, and would be my perfect all round car. I'm still banging around in my old C6 3.0 TDi Quattro, but I've had it 10 years now, have over 206k miles on it. On super-long motorway runs I can regularly get 1000km to a tank (yeah, ok, I do deal in miles - but a nice round '1000km' sounded kinda cool!), with the remap I had done on it the day after I bought it, I've had a GPS verified 154mph out of it (160+mph on the clock), my dogs love it, will take my whitewater kayak INSIDE (the sea-kayak admittedly has to go on the roof), regularly pulls my race bikes to the track and with 4WD, just laughs off every bit of crap weather that gets thrown at it.
Call it a 55TDi, call it an S6, I don't really car either way: if I had the moolah, I'd buy one in a heartbeat to demolish the 95% of the driving/grinding I need to do on a daily/weekly basis - I simply couldn't imagine a better car suited for my needs (well, apart from maybe a Merc E400D 4Matic. However a Beemer is not an option, as unfortunately BMW's are generally driven by BMW owners.;) )
As a C7 RS6 owner, two things are incredibly annoying - I'm lucky if I manage 200 miles between fill ups from the pitiful 65 litre tank and secondly, it's inability to tow.
This does address both, and only encourages justification for something with three pedals and petrol to join it in the garage.
This does address both, and only encourages justification for something with three pedals and petrol to join it in the garage.
The poster who says why not just buy the s4 may not have had to sit in the back seats of an s4 with a front seat set for someone of average height or greater.
Having just sent my 2017 s4 back it was clear it was a fast discreet well specced normal car, not an out and out shouty fire-breathing monster.
A >4 cylinder Diesel makes a lot of sense for a fast discreet well specced normal car that the S badge appears to represent now.
Having just sent my 2017 s4 back it was clear it was a fast discreet well specced normal car, not an out and out shouty fire-breathing monster.
A >4 cylinder Diesel makes a lot of sense for a fast discreet well specced normal car that the S badge appears to represent now.
Water Fairy said:
There was me about to congratulate you on a well written post, to the point and reflecting my own opinion on this S6. Then you had to let yourself down with a cliched BMW comment that could as easily be directed at drivers of many a brand, Audi most definately included.
And considering the complete lack of sense of humour........ my point has been proven. 
Arsecati said:
People keep slobbering on about it being named an 'S', and that 'well in that case, why not get a 50 TDi then?'. Well, why not then just get the 40TDi by that logic? The S6 has more than 60bhp more than the 50TDi, so a wee bit more than just a trim level
Its because the old S6 was a little different, a bit special. it had its own engine. This is a a faster version of the 50TDI with a big premium attached. It just doesn't seem special to me.tommy1973s said:
My S6 manual saloon hails from 1995 and has the ur-q 5-cyl twin-turbo petrol. Economical, sounds glorious, goes like the clappers, comfy and fun to drive. Every subsequent S6 fails to match up.
Very few people reading this will know WTF you’re on about, but I agree. Although I don’t know where you get the twin-turbo bit from - the ur-S gets the job done with one. Mike335i said:
Its because the old S6 was a little different, a bit special. it had its own engine. This is a a faster version of the 50TDI with a big premium attached. It just doesn't seem special to me.
The 'S' models were never that special, only for the badge (and chrome mirror caps), they looked no different than a standard S-Line (apart from the lovely addition of the 10 LED's in the C6 S6 to highlight the fact it had a V10). Arsecati said:
The 'S' models were never that special, only for the badge (and chrome mirror caps), they looked no different than a standard S-Line (apart from the lovely addition of the 10 LED's in the C6 S6 to highlight the fact it had a V10).
But it had a V10, or a Twin Turbo V8 or a warbly I5. This one is effectively a 55TDI but with a big jump in price. The point you make about your own A6 sums it up for me: a 50 TDI will do 95% of what this one can do but much cheaper. This doesn't even have a silly engine to make it at least sound interesting. It will be relentlessly capable of course, but so will a regular A6.
Edited by Mike335i on Sunday 13th October 22:46
I think it all comes down to the reality of what people require
I was in the fortunate situation of buying anew car in July - I cover 20,000 miles per year, but am a petrol head, unfortunately, the reality is that it doesn't make sense to run a v8 petrol as an everyday car. I looked at the C43 AMG and BMW 340i, but in the end I went for a 335d x-drive, as choices for "Performance diesels" was limited, and in the real world it is amazing - It sounds good under acceleration (I know it is synthesised) and the stability of xdrive is very useful in poor conditions. With petrol's moving towards turbo charging, I think that the gap between fast petrol's and diesels in terms of performance characteristics is narrowing........Just my opinion!
I was in the fortunate situation of buying anew car in July - I cover 20,000 miles per year, but am a petrol head, unfortunately, the reality is that it doesn't make sense to run a v8 petrol as an everyday car. I looked at the C43 AMG and BMW 340i, but in the end I went for a 335d x-drive, as choices for "Performance diesels" was limited, and in the real world it is amazing - It sounds good under acceleration (I know it is synthesised) and the stability of xdrive is very useful in poor conditions. With petrol's moving towards turbo charging, I think that the gap between fast petrol's and diesels in terms of performance characteristics is narrowing........Just my opinion!
4 years ago I was torn between a new S6 or a new BiTDi. Prices (with discounts) and real world performance were 'similar', economy was vastly different.
I chose the oil burner and have loved every day of ownership. They are staggeringly capable cars. That this engine should be in the new S6 is testament to just how good it was when Porsche first released it to Audi.
I chose the oil burner and have loved every day of ownership. They are staggeringly capable cars. That this engine should be in the new S6 is testament to just how good it was when Porsche first released it to Audi.
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