RE: Next AMG C63 to go four-cylinder

[DeepEnd]

MOBB said:

Apart from the noise, I much prefer the Tesla.

The Tesla has its well publicised issues but they have nailed it imo

2 months ago I would have been shocked if I had said that

Mines a Model 3 Performance btw

The one caveat is I am talking about road driving up to 8/10ths, above that and for visceral excitement the traditional super saloons still rule

Edited by MOBB on Thursday 17th October 20:23

Interesting. They are clearly the future.

Anything you don't like about the Model 3 or would change?

Can you make a Model 3 make ICE/V8 sounds? I would have thought this more appealing than e.g. the virtual whoopie cushion. Surely it's possible to simulate the right sounds so as it to be convincing? I recall BMW put synthetic noise in their turbo'd V8 M5 but have not experienced it.

[covmutley]

Nah. May as well go full electric. It's a neither here nor there car.

[Gman77]

MickyveloceClassic said:

Per litre, one of the most economical cars on the road (W204); can’t think why they need to improve it.

Alternatively, this is what it's like when living and driving in London:

[J4CKO]

Rubbish about the C63 not being, green there was a video on here of one hugging a tree just the other day !

[JohnG1]

Gman77 said:

MickyveloceClassic said:

Per litre, one of the most economical cars on the road (W204); can’t think why they need to improve it.

Alternatively, this is what it's like when living and driving in London:

I had an SL63 AMG briefly. Great sounding car, awful drive. At maximum attack I managed about 3.6mpg. Did take some effort, but not a lot...

[Mr Whippy]

As long as the fuel they burn is releasing CO2 from non-fossil hydrocarbon sources, and their emissions filtered sufficiently, who cares?

It’s good for manufacturers because they can unburden their power plant R&D, and just fit batteries and motors from OEMs, and then let them worry about the environmental impact of making lots of batteries and motors.


ICE don’t need to disappear.

They’ve been cleaned up massively. Make a green fuel and keep cars away from congested cities (which they should be in any case), and what’s the issue?


Really Mercedes should be thinking about 7.3 V12s from the Zonda in the next C AMG.

C73 AMG. Mmmmmm.

[Chris Hinds]

Going to buck the trend and say I suspect that Mercedes will actually go the whole hog to an I4 engine. Realistically with balance shafts and a small amount of hybrid energy to cover off turbo lag, it's going to be absolutely fine to drive. Given the size of the current C/3/A4 class cars now, the manufacturers need a way to keep people going up the range - so I can see the next generation of these cars maxing out at I4 to created space for I6 or V6 at the E-Class/S-Class level.

I have to say I can't see myself buying another pure ICE car as a daily driver - just no compelling need to do so. HEV, PHEV or BEV will be the future and I can't see that being more than 3-4 years away. Should we be offended? No probably not - it's just progress. We might also want to reflect that an I4 will still be more "natural" to people like us than a BEV is...]

Do I mourn the V8 in an everyday car? Of course. Am I surprised it's leaving? Not really. Will V8s live on in specialist cars, yes for a while but I'm afraid they're going to become more inaccessible so if you've got one, hang on to it!

[stevie777777]

LOL I’ll be keeping my last of the line 2014 C63 W2O4 coupe then - hopefully values will rise !
I rather drive the wife’s Nissan Leaf than a 2 litre C63 whole point of the car is the V8 even the small v8 it uses now is an abomination

Edited by stevie777777 on Thursday 17th October 21:38

[DMC2]

Dave Hedgehog said:

who in their right mind would spend 70k+ on a 4 pot?

Porsche 718 GTS owners!

[krisdelta]

I think ultimately we’ll be wrong and the 4 pot will be better, faster and more efficient - but there is something special about these big capacity V8’s. We’re going to be the last generation to enjoy or indeed understand them. Get in while the going is good I say.

[Nickbrapp]

Will v8s every really die out? Have you heard of America?

[cerb4.5lee]

Nickbrapp said:

Will v8s every really die out? Have you heard of America?

I really like this positivity!

[dunc69]

I loved my only V8, a Chimaera 1995 which I owned from 2003 to 2006.

Made me smile every day. Every time I started it. Every time it revved beyond 4.5k. The howl!!

And the burble at low speeds / revs. Mmmmmmm.

Have had 4-pots ever since sadly. All petrols at least.

Until recently.......
Decided the ICE is on the way out (as per this thread), so bought a Kia Stinger 3.3 V6 twin-turbo as my daily.

The old feelings are back. Smile on start-up, smile on pushing on, smile on idle. Great sounds. Not V8, but great sounds nevertheless. Large capacity smoothness!

I accept that if I run it until the end of the warranty (2026) I’ll probably be in an electric car next, so thought I should make the most of an ICE while I can (whilst having all the modern toys available at the same time).

If this story / claim is true (and that’s a big if!), then RIP one of the greatest engines of all time.

As others have said, If you can afford / justify a V8, get one now as a keeper!

[A44RON]

DoubleD said:

Its a lack of demand. If people were queuing up to buy them Mercedes would make them.

It's not a lack of demand at all, it's increasingly stringent forced emissions regulations.

Look at what's happened to Porsche's Boxster & Cayman sales figures from the n/a flat-six 981 to the mind-numbingly uninteresting 718 flat-four turbo appliances... - their sales have plummeted for the newer 718, while 981 prices have firmed up and in some cases are worth more than the 718 hoovers!

That says it all.

Edited by A44RON on Friday 18th October 04:09

[AC43]

cerb4.5lee said:

Nickbrapp said:

Will v8s every really die out? Have you heard of America?

I really like this positivity!

In the US you can only buy 2 CLS's; the entry level 550 V8 or the full fat 63 V8.

It just shows that our market is skewed by highly taxed fuel and legislation that discourages large capacity multis.

Shame as I do low miles and love buying V8's s/h.

[DoubleD]

A44RON said:

DoubleD said:

Its a lack of demand. If people were queuing up to buy them Mercedes would make them.

It's not a lack of demand at all, it's increasingly stringent forced emissions regulations.

Edited by A44RON on Friday 18th October 04:09

Yes, which means that demand for these cars is lower now.

Mercedes is a business, they make things that are profitable. If they thought that it would be more profitable to make a large engined car over a small one then thats what they would make.

There isnt enough demand for these large engined cars to make them profitable.

[Wills2]

DoubleD said:

A44RON said:

DoubleD said:

Its a lack of demand. If people were queuing up to buy them Mercedes would make them.

It's not a lack of demand at all, it's increasingly stringent forced emissions regulations.

Edited by A44RON on Friday 18th October 04:09

Yes, which means that demand for these cars is lower now.

Mercedes is a business, they make things that are profitable. If they thought that it would be more profitable to make a large engined car over a small one then thats what they would make.

There isnt enough demand for these large engined cars to make them profitable.

No it's the EU average c02 target they have to meet demand has nothing to do with it, the fines are eyewatering if you don't meet them.

[Begall]

DoubleD said:

Yes, which means that demand for these cars is lower now.

Mercedes is a business, they make things that are profitable. If they thought that it would be more profitable to make a large engined car over a small one then thats what they would make.

There isnt enough demand for these large engined cars to make them profitable.

Na, there’s a bigger problem now - shortly if a manufacturers fleet average is above 95g/km of CO2 then they get fined an absolutely enormous amount. The amount of demand for these type of products is now irrelevant (actually selling lots could be actively detrimental) since each sale could end up costing them far more than they could ever hope to recover in profit from it.

[sledge68]

if its an integrale yes, MB no.

Dave Hedgehog said:

there has never been a clearer message that the era of ICE cars is over

who in their right mind would spend 70k+ on a 4 pot?

still fantastic news for owners of the V8s as they should hold their money very well in a few years time

[Blanchimont]

I somehow doubt the new C63 will have an i4 in it. The C43 will likely go down to a 4cyl with the 48v hybrid, and the C63 will likely have the i6 they've developed.