RE: Next AMG C63 to go four-cylinder
Discussion
For those lamenting the loss of the 6.2 V8, there is still one available across the pond. I drove a Chevy Camaro SS in the summer, which has extremely similar power and torque figures to the C63, but also gets amazing fuel economy for what it is...
Remember, that is US MPG, so equivalent to about 34.6 UK MPG. How? Cylinder deactivation, tall gearing and a 10 speed gearbox. It does about 1500 rpm at 70, so when you're cruising or just stuck behind somebody there is no penalty to having 6.2 litres up front. I was hooning this when the opportunities presented themselves, so the figures could have been even higher.
Remember, that is US MPG, so equivalent to about 34.6 UK MPG. How? Cylinder deactivation, tall gearing and a 10 speed gearbox. It does about 1500 rpm at 70, so when you're cruising or just stuck behind somebody there is no penalty to having 6.2 litres up front. I was hooning this when the opportunities presented themselves, so the figures could have been even higher.
- Disclaimer - I think some of that economy comes from being at higher altitudes.
Alex_225 said:
A huge part of the appeal of the C63 and to be honest, many of the '63' badged cars was the V8 engine. Personally based on cool factor alone they peaked with the 6.2 V8 purely as it was a stupidly large, loud and unnecessary brute of a motor.
Despite the newer models being turbo charged which I suspect is a better/more flexible engine at least it retained a V8.
I know this is progress, everything will be electric in some capacity eventually. I suppose it's a bit sad because the C63 came to prominence because it was a V8. It'll still be popular because it'll be fast, loud and lairy but to many of us lot it will lose a part of it's appeal.
Talking of loud, I hope they don't make it obnoxious and unnecessarily loud like many of the other four cylinder farty exhausts. Sadly I suspect it'll pop and crackle the moment it moves!
Sadly the 'cool factor' of any large petrol engined car is rapidly diminishing - pretty much confined to those over a 'certain age' - the reaction you get from many 20 somethings to a V8 is pretty negative - as if you'd lit up a cigar in a kindergarten. It's a shame but it's the way things are going (I speak as an unrepentant TVR owner!).Despite the newer models being turbo charged which I suspect is a better/more flexible engine at least it retained a V8.
I know this is progress, everything will be electric in some capacity eventually. I suppose it's a bit sad because the C63 came to prominence because it was a V8. It'll still be popular because it'll be fast, loud and lairy but to many of us lot it will lose a part of it's appeal.
Talking of loud, I hope they don't make it obnoxious and unnecessarily loud like many of the other four cylinder farty exhausts. Sadly I suspect it'll pop and crackle the moment it moves!
^ very much so, very few people I know give a hoot what engine my CLS63 has, whereas they are all over the Tesla
Youngsters in particular stare at the Tesla (and I don’t like attention) and have no interest in a nice V8
Sad times and definitely only the over 40’s care about these engines I fear
Youngsters in particular stare at the Tesla (and I don’t like attention) and have no interest in a nice V8
Sad times and definitely only the over 40’s care about these engines I fear
Wiltshire Lad said:
Alex_225 said:
A huge part of the appeal of the C63 and to be honest, many of the '63' badged cars was the V8 engine. Personally based on cool factor alone they peaked with the 6.2 V8 purely as it was a stupidly large, loud and unnecessary brute of a motor.
Despite the newer models being turbo charged which I suspect is a better/more flexible engine at least it retained a V8.
I know this is progress, everything will be electric in some capacity eventually. I suppose it's a bit sad because the C63 came to prominence because it was a V8. It'll still be popular because it'll be fast, loud and lairy but to many of us lot it will lose a part of it's appeal.
Talking of loud, I hope they don't make it obnoxious and unnecessarily loud like many of the other four cylinder farty exhausts. Sadly I suspect it'll pop and crackle the moment it moves!
Sadly the 'cool factor' of any large petrol engined car is rapidly diminishing - pretty much confined to those over a 'certain age' - the reaction you get from many 20 somethings to a V8 is pretty negative - as if you'd lit up a cigar in a kindergarten. It's a shame but it's the way things are going (I speak as an unrepentant TVR owner!).Despite the newer models being turbo charged which I suspect is a better/more flexible engine at least it retained a V8.
I know this is progress, everything will be electric in some capacity eventually. I suppose it's a bit sad because the C63 came to prominence because it was a V8. It'll still be popular because it'll be fast, loud and lairy but to many of us lot it will lose a part of it's appeal.
Talking of loud, I hope they don't make it obnoxious and unnecessarily loud like many of the other four cylinder farty exhausts. Sadly I suspect it'll pop and crackle the moment it moves!
By contrast one of my cousins is learning to drive, he's 23 and has a Seat Ibiza. He finds the idea of a V8 pretty cool and has an appreciation for a fast cars. Hope is not lost yet!! haha
flukey5 said:
Merc have to be one of the most stylistically bankrupt auto manufacturers right now. As a car enthusiast I can barely tell the difference between any of them (apart from the AMG GT maybe). At least BMW have the i3, i8, z4 and Audi have the TT, R8, etc. Even merc's sporty roadsters look like they were designed last century.
Agreed. The majority of them look like slugs in black. 
thecremeegg said:
, just keep the V8 and make it more efficient, .
er, how?? This is the root of the problem. ICE are at the end of their development and are mono-directional (ie when you brake /lift off, they cannot recover energy and refill the fuel tank) so they can never complete with an BEV. Speed_Demon said:
Plate spinner said:
C’mon, you know it’ll be the loudest yet in order to appeal to the certain type of attention-seekers that thinks these generic fart pop 4-bangers sound good.
Nope. Quieter than ever with the new regsThey are definitely muting cars now for sure, I guess that they are preparing us all for when everything is electric.
Captain_Chaos said:
when you're cruising or just stuck behind somebody there is no penalty to having 6.2 litres up front..
I think it's important to highlight just how un-true this statement actually is, when compared to what is possible with an EV powertrain!As a petrolhead you might think that 30 odd mpg is ok, but for 99.9% of people who don't care about cars, when under the same circumstances a car that returns 300 mpg becomes normal, it's going to be a really hard sell justifying the big V8........
DoubleD said:
Max_Torque said:
ICE are at the end of their development
LOLThey are. I should know, i've spent the last 25 years of my life developing new ICEs and today, that part of the industry is already effectively dead.
https://electrek.co/2019/09/19/daimler-stops-devel...
When biggest player in ICE engines announces "it's all over" you should take notice......
Whilst it's a shame that they look to be getting rid of the big motors, how many of you complaining would be willing to put your hands in your pocket and fork out for a brand new V8 C63?
I think there is so much pressure on manufacturers to reduce the emissions across their ranges and probably a very limited amount of people willing to pay out for a brand new one.
Just to add, i've never owned anything with more than 4 cylinders and probably never will, but it's getting more and more frowned upon to have these big and very thirsty engines. Now a 4 pot with hybrid tech, that sounds pretty good to me if it can deliver in the thrills.
I think there is so much pressure on manufacturers to reduce the emissions across their ranges and probably a very limited amount of people willing to pay out for a brand new one.
Just to add, i've never owned anything with more than 4 cylinders and probably never will, but it's getting more and more frowned upon to have these big and very thirsty engines. Now a 4 pot with hybrid tech, that sounds pretty good to me if it can deliver in the thrills.
Max_Torque said:
I think it's important to highlight just how un-true this statement actually is, when compared to what is possible with an EV powertrain!
As a petrolhead you might think that 30 odd mpg is ok, but for 99.9% of people who don't care about cars, when under the same circumstances a car that returns 300 mpg becomes normal, it's going to be a really hard sell justifying the big V8........
I realise that when you talk about EVs doing MPG you're not literally saying that they consume gallons of leccy... What is the going rate of conversion between a litre of petrol and kWh of electricity?As a petrolhead you might think that 30 odd mpg is ok, but for 99.9% of people who don't care about cars, when under the same circumstances a car that returns 300 mpg becomes normal, it's going to be a really hard sell justifying the big V8........
sideshowfred said:
Whilst it's a shame that they look to be getting rid of the big motors, how many of you complaining would be willing to put your hands in your pocket and fork out for a brand new V8 C63?
I think there is so much pressure on manufacturers to reduce the emissions across their ranges and probably a very limited amount of people willing to pay out for a brand new one.
Just to add, i've never owned anything with more than 4 cylinders and probably never will, but it's getting more and more frowned upon to have these big and very thirsty engines. Now a 4 pot with hybrid tech, that sounds pretty good to me if it can deliver in the thrills.
Fair point well made I think there is so much pressure on manufacturers to reduce the emissions across their ranges and probably a very limited amount of people willing to pay out for a brand new one.
Just to add, i've never owned anything with more than 4 cylinders and probably never will, but it's getting more and more frowned upon to have these big and very thirsty engines. Now a 4 pot with hybrid tech, that sounds pretty good to me if it can deliver in the thrills.
I'm lucky enough to have a V8 twin turbo, an inline 6 turbo and a V6 turbo on my drive, so I guess I'm one of Greta's targets
Wife has a 1.5T hyrid and in sport mode its actually a fun drive. I've driven the current drop of high output 2.0T from the germans and not really enjoyed them. I do get the environmental pressure and the economy of it.
No doubt my next car change will involve a charging point.
No way the V8 twin turbo is going thouhg
I think the hardest thing to replace when the V8s go will be the brilliant feeling you get from driving one.
The combination of the huge torque which makes the car feel weightless, the instant acceleration and the noise is never going to be replicated by an electric car. The noise is such an integral part of the fun whether you are woofling effortlessly along with the traffic or giving it the 6000rpm beans on an empty road. It just puts a big silly smile on your face every time!
I've driven a few electric cars and they have the acceleration bit nailed, but without the noise there is no sense of drama and excitement - it's just like being in a fast lift.
So, I shall hang onto my E63 for a good while, and when it goes I'll find another V8 to make me grin. Life is too short to be bored by your car - I was forced to drive a 218d for a few weeks last year and hated everything about it and every mile driven!
Ben
The combination of the huge torque which makes the car feel weightless, the instant acceleration and the noise is never going to be replicated by an electric car. The noise is such an integral part of the fun whether you are woofling effortlessly along with the traffic or giving it the 6000rpm beans on an empty road. It just puts a big silly smile on your face every time!
I've driven a few electric cars and they have the acceleration bit nailed, but without the noise there is no sense of drama and excitement - it's just like being in a fast lift.
So, I shall hang onto my E63 for a good while, and when it goes I'll find another V8 to make me grin. Life is too short to be bored by your car - I was forced to drive a 218d for a few weeks last year and hated everything about it and every mile driven!
Ben
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