RE: Next AMG C63 to go four-cylinder

[Harry_523]

As long as it gets 2 of them, its fine


I can see the C43 AMG getting replaced by this powertrain, but not the C63. Logic would dictate that the 63 would go 6cyl from the E53 first.

One day, we will see AMGs that are all electric though, and that does make my brain hurt a bit

[mat205125]

The C63 has always been a sledgehammer in the power and performance stakes, however it's USP over the dynamically better offerings from BMW and Audi has always centred on it having a shouty NASCAR snarl from it's V8.

The original C63 isn't a drivers car like an M3, or a nice place to be like a RS4, however has a brutal and addictively appealing hotrod character.

A 4 pot hybrid version sounds too much like a warp speed taxi with some ugly blingy wheels and chrome tinsel

[MOBB]

The question is, what percentage of the target market cares whether its a V8 or a 4? My wife wouldn't for example. Do enough people demand it to be a V8?

I've just gone from a CLS63 AMG to a Tesla :-0

These V8's are going to disappear.......................... I apologise for my contribution to this :-(

[Glenn63]

It will be a sad when it does happen and the v8 is no more, the 6.2 is a monster of an engine by far the best I’ve owned. Mite need to start looking at immaculate examples and snap one up to keep!

[BuzzBravado]

MOBB said:

The question is, what percentage of the target market cares whether its a V8 or a 4?

I know what you mean but those people are the reason there is S-Line, AMG diesels and BMW wed out the M badge. For those that still cared first and foremost for the engine they continued to sell the C63, M3/M5, RS4/6.

[Sandpit Steve]

Hey Mercedes, if you’re going to put a silly little low-capacity hybrid system in your new C63, can you please make it the screaming F1 engine?

[Alex_225]

MickyveloceClassic said:

Per litre, one of the most economical cars on the road (W204); can’t think why they need to improve it.

I have managed to get 27mpg to show on the gauge on my CLS63 (W219) but that was a very gentle 60-65mph cruise.

Realistically 15-18mpg is more likely though, let's be honest.

Of all the things the 6.2 V8 can be praised for, fuel economy is not really it! haha

[DoubleD]

BuzzBravado said:

MOBB said:

The question is, what percentage of the target market cares whether its a V8 or a 4?

I know what you mean but those people are the reason there is S-Line, AMG diesels and BMW wed out the M badge. For those that still cared first and foremost for the engine they continued to sell the C63, M3/M5, RS4/6.

But, I can only presume that there aren't enough of these people willing to buy them to justify making large engined saloons.

[J4CKO]

Alex_225 said:

MickyveloceClassic said:

Per litre, one of the most economical cars on the road (W204); can’t think why they need to improve it.

I have managed to get 27mpg to show on the gauge on my CLS63 (W219) but that was a very gentle 60-65mph cruise.

Realistically 15-18mpg is more likely though, let's be honest.

Of all the things the 6.2 V8 can be praised for, fuel economy is not really it! haha

I once saw the heady heights of 32 mpg on my 5.5 CLS 500, briefly,

To be honest, knocking about it wasnt any worse than my M135i, the common factor in this terrible fuel consumption is me

[Alex_225]

J4CKO said:

I once saw the heady heights of 32 mpg on my 5.5 CLS 500, briefly,

To be honest, knocking about it wasnt any worse than my M135i, the common factor in this terrible fuel consumption is me

Haha that's the thing, if you're cool with running one then economy isn't the worry. I don't use my CLS as my daily car so it's not something I'm too worried about when I do drive it. When you buy a V8 fuel consumption isn't or shoudn't be your main thought! haha

[MickyveloceClassic]

It’s certainly not why I bought my car, but it’s important to me that the car isn’t catastrophically expensive to run.

It isn’t, so all is good.

Particularly the sense of occasion, quality and character.
I run mine alongside a ‘96 C36 which I’ve owned for many years. That does 31mpg on a long run....

[Mr Whippy]

I’m generally ok with hybrids doing what McLaren/Ferrari did with the P1/LaFerrari.

Basically fill torque gaps from an FI motor.
So it feels like a big NA.

Add some regen on initial braking input.
So it drives like a big NA still.

Add some outright power when you want peak acceleration.

Trim output for traction control from the e-motor first, so under full throttle TC intervention it’s actually charging the battery (ala LaFerrari)


All I’d wish for is that manufacturers went with smaller V6s, sacrifice some efficiency, but gain some real quality sound...
Also arguably, in a long config, in most modern cars, it’d let you get the engine further back.

[Terminator X]

April fools? What a fking joke, one of the best engines in the world possibly on its way out just because #ClimateEmergency

TX.

[Terminator X]

DoubleD said:

Mercedes will make a large engine car if there is a market for it and its profitable for them.

Im guessing there isnt.

Regulations killing these cars imho rather than lack of demand. Only bought in small numbers anyway remember.

TX.

[Terminator X]

BenGB said:

MickyveloceClassic said:

Per litre, one of the most economical cars on the road (W204); can’t think why they need to improve it.

Made me laugh! That must have been one booooooring drive. I can get my E63 up to an average of 27 driving at 60-70 on a slow motorway, but it's no fun! Normal average is 19, same as my E46 M3 and the 2.8 Passat V6 I used to have which was about a 1/3 of the BHP!

My M5C is 19.9 mpg average over 6.5k miles

TX.

[Terminator X]

Max_Torque said:

MickyveloceClassic said:

Per litre, one of the most economical cars on the road (W204); can’t think why they need to improve it.

Because EVs are rewriting the rules, that's why! A Tesla P100D, which is faster than the C63 can do around 130 to 150 mpg on a normal drive. Driven carefully, it can do around 180 to 200mpg. That's why big engined ICE are effectively obsolete.......

Yet no one wants them, tiny tiny share of the market for some reason

TX.

[Ho Lee Kau]

xu5 said:

Surley the V8 is the major USP of the C63, how depressing.

Obviously.
But sales of C63AMG are not the major part of overall sales of C-Classe.

In any case, the big sellers are SUVs, for example 45% of overall sales of BMW are SUVs, and Mercedes can barely build enough of its big SUV in the US factory. Maybe the big SUV will keep the V8.

Sedans are on decline.
Still, it is a sad news, I adored C63AMG, with 6.2 NA and with the 4.0 turbo as well.

[Ho Lee Kau]

MOBB said:

The question is, what percentage of the target market cares whether its a V8 or a 4?

THinking like this there would be NOTHING interesting on the market at all!

C63AMG is a HALO car, it live outside of the "C-Classe target market".

[Ho Lee Kau]

Terminator X said:

DoubleD said:

Mercedes will make a large engine car if there is a market for it and its profitable for them.

Im guessing there isnt.

Regulations killing these cars imho rather than lack of demand. Only bought in small numbers anyway remember.

TX.

exactly right

[DoubleD]

Ho Lee Kau said:

Terminator X said:

DoubleD said:

Mercedes will make a large engine car if there is a market for it and its profitable for them.

Im guessing there isnt.

Regulations killing these cars imho rather than lack of demand. Only bought in small numbers anyway remember.

TX.

exactly right

Regulation changes mean that less people are interested in these cars. If lots of people wanted them Mercedes would make them.