RE: Megane R.S. Trophy-R vs. Golf GTI Clubsport S
Discussion
WCZ said:
£72k is a lot of money and it'd be hard to spend it on a megane in almost any circumstances beyond it having some kind of monster v12 in it
alternatively to the megane for the same money in the classifieds I'd probably go for one of these:
Each to their own. The beauty of the Megane is that it's £51k, not £72k. But its real talent is its versatility for track and road use, which none of those cars have. The big ones will be heavy and very very expensive to track. The Lotus would be a pain to drive to the Ring. I wouldn't even drive it to Silverstone from Sussex and I am only 6ft1.alternatively to the megane for the same money in the classifieds I'd probably go for one of these:
I am not sure any of them come with a 3 year manufacturers warranty that covers track use. The Megane does. It is probably not a massive market but there are only 30 of them for the UK market. They probably don't need to sell 25,000 of them. This also explains the cost as the development, testing and homologation have to be amortised out of a small number of units.
Having said that they would all make better road only cars than the Megane including the Lotus if you can fit in it. But while I appreciate that not many PHers track their cars, some do.
Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 22 October 12:58
nickfrog said:
Each to their own. The beauty of the Megane is that it's £51k, not £72k. But its real talent is its versatility for track and road use, which none of those cars have. The big ones will be heavy and very very expensive to track. The Lotus would be a pain to drive to the Ring. I wouldn't even drive it to Silverstone from Sussex and I am only 6ft1.
I am not sure any of them come with a 3 year manufacturers warranty that cover track use. The Megane does. It is probably not a massive market but there are only 50 of them for the UK market. They probably don't need to sell 25,000 of them. This also explains the cost as the development, testing and homologation have to be amortised out of a small number of units.
Having said that they would all make better road only cars than the Megane including the Lotus if you can fit in it. But while I appreciate that not many PHers track their cars, some do.
£51k though you don't get the nice bits !! So then you might as well buy the lighter better looking outgoing model for 1/2 the price.I am not sure any of them come with a 3 year manufacturers warranty that cover track use. The Megane does. It is probably not a massive market but there are only 50 of them for the UK market. They probably don't need to sell 25,000 of them. This also explains the cost as the development, testing and homologation have to be amortised out of a small number of units.
Having said that they would all make better road only cars than the Megane including the Lotus if you can fit in it. But while I appreciate that not many PHers track their cars, some do.
Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 22 October 12:50
you also don't look a t
t having a 4 door !Plus you get a rarer car also 1 of 30 at less than 1/2 the cost !!!
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
you may say it's cheap the track that new megane but it will loose 1/2 it's value in 3 years !! so £25k gone already !
that's a lot of track days on the outgoing model.
does it really have "versatility" nope, it's a 2 seater with rock hard suspension ! I would say that Exige rides better.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 22 October 13:08
WCZ said:
£72k is a lot of money and it'd be hard to spend it on a megane in almost any circumstances beyond it having some kind of monster v12 in it
alternatively to the megane for the same money in the classifieds I'd probably go for one of these:
These all make a megane highly invisible to me... as they should...alternatively to the megane for the same money in the classifieds I'd probably go for one of these:
nickfrog said:
Each to their own. The beauty of the Megane is that it's £51k, not £72k. But its real talent is its versatility for track and road use, which none of those cars have. The big ones will be heavy and very very expensive to track. The Lotus would be a pain to drive to the Ring. I wouldn't even drive it to Silverstone from Sussex and I am only 6ft1.
I am not sure any of them come with a 3 year manufacturers warranty that covers track use. The Megane does. It is probably not a massive market but there are only 30 of them for the UK market. They probably don't need to sell 25,000 of them. This also explains the cost as the development, testing and homologation have to be amortised out of a small number of units.
Having said that they would all make better road only cars than the Megane including the Lotus if you can fit in it. But while I appreciate that not many PHers track their cars, some do.
the 12c would be fairly versitile for road and track use (it's an extremely capable car, lets not forget it was faster than the Gumpert Apollo S / Konigsegg / zonda f / MC12/ etc round the top gear track)I am not sure any of them come with a 3 year manufacturers warranty that covers track use. The Megane does. It is probably not a massive market but there are only 30 of them for the UK market. They probably don't need to sell 25,000 of them. This also explains the cost as the development, testing and homologation have to be amortised out of a small number of units.
Having said that they would all make better road only cars than the Megane including the Lotus if you can fit in it. But while I appreciate that not many PHers track their cars, some do.
Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 22 October 12:58
the 997 gt3 would be okay on both road and track too imo
Porsche911R said:
Plus you get a rarer car also 1 of 30 at less than 1/2 the cost !!!
you may say it's cheap the track that new megane but it will loose 1/2 it's value in 3 years !! so £25k gone already !
Just a couple of points. There are only 30 Trophy R coming to the UK.you may say it's cheap the track that new megane but it will loose 1/2 it's value in 3 years !! so £25k gone already !
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 22 October 13:08
It won’t lose half it’s value. It’s pretty fair to say that the R26R and, by your very example the previous Trophy, hold their values exceptionally well.
Porsche911R said:
SidewaysSi said:
There is just one £72k car so it's not really a point worth talking about. They have found a buyer at that price so it was obviously priced correctly, irrespective of what anyone thinks.
We can bang on about new Vs used till the end of time but where do the comparisons end? For £70k I would probably go for a 996GT3 with some tweaks or a 964. Or a modded 105. Or an Elan Sprint with change. Or an E30 etc.
And yes bad move on the F1 - sold it a bit early.
I think for the money you bought a Macca 12c as an example. 2nd hand vs new is a debate for sure, but a buyer can choose either as we all do.We can bang on about new Vs used till the end of time but where do the comparisons end? For £70k I would probably go for a 996GT3 with some tweaks or a 964. Or a modded 105. Or an Elan Sprint with change. Or an E30 etc.
And yes bad move on the F1 - sold it a bit early.
I had a 996 GT3 over rated as a road car, but be a great track tool, just costs ££££ to look after as they are a bit old now, so you can buy a lemon very easy.
I think you should buy a manual 991.2 GT3 if yu loved the GT4 it would blow you away.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 22 October 11:00
I like old school feel and accessibility so inevitably go for something secondhand though can understand the appeal of a new car. I bought my GT4 new but again, found it rather lacking in what I want from a car - A fine machine but lacked the edge I wanted.
Whilst I like new GT cars, the older stuff is a lot more desirable.
WCZ said:
£72k is a lot of money and it'd be hard to spend it on a megane in almost any circumstances beyond it having some kind of monster v12 in it
alternatively to the megane for the same money in the classifieds I'd probably go for one of these:
Do those come with a three year warranty?alternatively to the megane for the same money in the classifieds I'd probably go for one of these:
It's a pointless comparison. Those that want the above will buy them, but some might still want the Megane. You might not prefer it but, for some, they might already have (or had) the above and want something different.
Seeing as they have, apparently, sold all of the UK's allocation for the Trophy-R, it's a moot point. There are obviously enough people out there that were happy to spend £51k on a Megane, or £72k, or whatever it ended up costing in between, depending on spec.
SidewaysSi said:
Whilst I like new GT cars, the older stuff is a lot more desirable.
Unless you have £500k for a 997rs 4.0 or £170k for the 3.8rs I Don,t think they are after owning one. The new engine makes the older one feel meh and the gearing in all the older GT cars bar the 2 listed is dire and don't make for fun road driving.
Porsche911R said:
SidewaysSi said:
Whilst I like new GT cars, the older stuff is a lot more desirable.
Unless you have £500k for a 997rs 4.0 or £170k for the 3.8rs I Don,t think they are after owning one. The new engine makes the older one feel meh and the gearing in all the older GT cars bar the 2 listed is dire and don't make for fun road driving.
A refreshed/upgraded 996GT3 would be a fine machine.
Butter Face said:
And to those comparing the Megane with a 8 year old McLaren, really?! 
come on guys, I know it’s a PH cliche to do the old/new thing but this is a bit silly isn’t it?
No it’s very valid, I have owned 74 cars and only bought about 5 new from that, if you have money to spend what ever the price, you look at every option available be it new or 2nd hand. come on guys, I know it’s a PH cliche to do the old/new thing but this is a bit silly isn’t it? SidewaysSi said:
I find the steering in the new cars quite poor to be honest. And can't you just change the diff on a 996 for a cup one etc?
A refreshed/upgraded 996GT3 would be a fine machine.
I ran one, did not get on with it to be honest, I agree steering in the new cars is lacking, but the 991.2 GT3 does a ok job. A refreshed/upgraded 996GT3 would be a fine machine.
But to make a nice one would cost quite a lot of money on top on a donar car, it would be the RS final drive gears btw to shorten the ratio's, but you loose top speed then.
The engine in the 991.2 makes the car it’s amazing and nothing really comes close to that what ever brand at any cost.
I would say today at £70k if you want a new driving machine a Evora GT410 might be the car and with about 300bhp/t plenty fast enough with the £20k discounts available.
Butter Face said:
Porsche911R said:
Plus you get a rarer car also 1 of 30 at less than 1/2 the cost !!!
you may say it's cheap the track that new megane but it will loose 1/2 it's value in 3 years !! so £25k gone already !
Just a couple of points. There are only 30 Trophy R coming to the UK.you may say it's cheap the track that new megane but it will loose 1/2 it's value in 3 years !! so £25k gone already !
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 22 October 13:08
It won’t lose half it’s value. It’s pretty fair to say that the R26R and, by your very example the previous Trophy, hold their values exceptionally well.
I’ve ordered one of these Trophy-R cars, really excited to get it. Apart from terryb, anyone else in the thread placed an order?
NoPDK said:
Don’t entertain 911R, he’s an annoyance on the Porsche GT as well... he claims lots knowledge of things, but all talk. It’s boring and puts me off posting there tbh.
I’ve ordered one of these Trophy-R cars, really excited to get it. Apart from terryb, anyone else in the thread placed an order?
Why make it personal ? Nothing I have said is out of place here, so it would be nice if you can keep it that way. I’ve ordered one of these Trophy-R cars, really excited to get it. Apart from terryb, anyone else in the thread placed an order?
As for all talk , I buy and own many many cars and put my money where my mouth is, so quite a stupid comment.
Your name also is out of date, you flipped you car for an automatic ! I guess you can buy the new car on the profit. And it comes of no surprise you are now after another ltd car, maybe you are thinking of flipping that also.
Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 22 October 15:07
Porsche911R said:
Butter Face said:
Oh, and I forgot this bit. I think there's a quoted 6kg difference between the old Trophy-R and the new one. I might not be bang on, but 6kg
Only if you spec the carbon wheels and ccb's and that cars £72k Jon_S_Rally said:
Do those come with a three year warranty?
It's a pointless comparison. Those that want the above will buy them, but some might still want the Megane. You might not prefer it but, for some, they might already have (or had) the above and want something different.
Seeing as they have, apparently, sold all of the UK's allocation for the Trophy-R, it's a moot point. There are obviously enough people out there that were happy to spend £51k on a Megane, or £72k, or whatever it ended up costing in between, depending on spec.
buying a 12c is admittidly more risky than the others as is the gallado,It's a pointless comparison. Those that want the above will buy them, but some might still want the Megane. You might not prefer it but, for some, they might already have (or had) the above and want something different.
Seeing as they have, apparently, sold all of the UK's allocation for the Trophy-R, it's a moot point. There are obviously enough people out there that were happy to spend £51k on a Megane, or £72k, or whatever it ended up costing in between, depending on spec.
the 2016 AMG GT has a warranty until next year with mercedes which then can be renewed
the lotus is delivery miles and has a warranty, some have service pack on them too
the audi r8 is audi approved and has a warranty
I don't think it's a pointless comparison, they are sports cars
some might prefer the megane than the others after driving them all but imo they'd be nuts!
It is surprising to me how low the demand for the old Trophy R actually is. That white one at K-Tec has been for sale for about a year, and it started off at something like £32k if memory serves. The advert even talks about there being a "balance of the Renault warranty until January 2019". My conclusion was that the market for a 2-seater, hardcore hot-hatch is actually very small.
Butter Face said:
Just a couple of points. There are only 30 Trophy R coming to the UK.
It won’t lose half it’s value. It’s pretty fair to say that the R26R and, by your very example the previous Trophy, hold their values exceptionally well.
It won’t lose half it’s value. It’s pretty fair to say that the R26R and, by your very example the previous Trophy, hold their values exceptionally well.
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