RE: Ferrari bids to save V12 with new patents

[daytona111r]

Bravo Ferrari !!!!! I was worried that Ferrari had bought into electrification being the only route forward and the 812 being the last of the breed.

[fido]

sidesauce said:

sidesauce said:

fido said:

sidesauce said:

Manufacturers don't give in and conform, they make the best compromises for the required price point. Ferrari have the luxury of being able to pass the cost of these developments on to their paying customers, who do not number very many in relation to the general buying public.

Thye generally do though - it takes a Dyson or a Mazda (who don't sell luxury cars) to come out with innovative designs .. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/technology/unde... .. there's no reason the technology above won't filter into mainstream cars. The idea is already used in F1 cars so to some extent it's already been developered.

Haven't you heard? Dyson have cancelled their car because, as I've pointed out, they can't find a way to make it commercially viable... https://www.newscientist.com/article/2219673-cance...

Thanks for helping re-enforce what I'm saying!

I meant their sucking devices rather than their cars!

[SidewaysSi]

Dave Hedgehog said:

wab172uk said:

Someone won't be happy

i suspect she is smart enough to know they sell in tiny numbers and normally do very small mileage so have no real measurable impact on the environment

I'm not sure she is...

[mike-v2tmf]

Dave Hedgehog said:

wab172uk said:

Someone won't be happy

i suspect she is smart enough to know they sell in tiny numbers and normally do very small mileage so have no real measurable impact on the environment

I think you give her too much credit

[Hungry Pigeon]

The article is not quite correct. The document published by the USPTO is neither "approved" nor "a patent". It is an application for a patent that has been published prior to the application being examined for patentability. The application is also not limited to V12s - it seeks to cover engines with at least one cylinder.

[Sandpit Steve]

Good to see them using the F1 tech in wider applications, anything that keeps that astonishing V12 in production for a few more years is good for me.

It still amazes me that the F1 teams are not shouting from the rooftops about efficiency - Mercedes reckoned that they passed 50% thermal efficiency a couple of year back, compared to 30% in the old cars. An F1 car averages around 7mpg over the course of a race, which is better than most road cars would average on a track day (and an awful lot faster!).

[drpep]

wab172uk said:

Someone won't be happy

Lol!

Yeah it’s a shame so much gets lumped on car manufacturers and then you hear the y ferry and shipping companies dumping their carbon captured from exhaust directly into the ocean. Not to mention lots of other industries which are horrendous polluters, but all we get is - “we’re taking away your good engines and forcing you into milk floats”.

Pretty sure the planet is better off with us keeping our cars for longer rather than buying a Tesla or the likes.

[anonymous-user]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/wome...

Happy to read about the engine; less so about the unedifying spectacle of a bunch of keyboard warrior blokes sniggering at a young person who has the courage of her convictions.

[sidesauce]

fido said:

sidesauce said:

sidesauce said:

fido said:

sidesauce said:

Manufacturers don't give in and conform, they make the best compromises for the required price point. Ferrari have the luxury of being able to pass the cost of these developments on to their paying customers, who do not number very many in relation to the general buying public.

Thye generally do though - it takes a Dyson or a Mazda (who don't sell luxury cars) to come out with innovative designs .. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/technology/unde... .. there's no reason the technology above won't filter into mainstream cars. The idea is already used in F1 cars so to some extent it's already been developered.

Haven't you heard? Dyson have cancelled their car because, as I've pointed out, they can't find a way to make it commercially viable... https://www.newscientist.com/article/2219673-cance...

Thanks for helping re-enforce what I'm saying!

I meant their sucking devices rather than their cars!

Even if you meant their vacuum cleaners, the point still stands - they couldn't make a car work at a viable pricepoint to make it profitable for them. Ferrari will suffer less from this problem because, as I said, they simply pass on the development costs to their customers (who can obviously afford them) as opposed to the masses in general...

[Jex]

Enzo Ferrari said:
I don't sell cars, I sell engines. The cars I throw in free because something has to hold the engines.
(Athough I expect he said it in Italian)

[Equus]

anonymous said:

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[Dont like rolls]

Dont like rolls said:

tommy1973s said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/wome...

Happy to read about the engine; less so about the unedifying spectacle of a bunch of keyboard warrior blokes sniggering at a puppet who has been programmed by very extreme parents..

FTFU

[Repent]

Dont like rolls said:

Dont like rolls said:

tommy1973s said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/wome...

Happy to read about the engine; less so about the unedifying spectacle of a bunch of keyboard warrior blokes sniggering at a puppet who has been programmed by very extreme parents..

FTFU

One of my clients work closely with Greta. She is protected by Swedish government security services who have never seen the volume or severity of threats this 16 year old faces daily. She’s sailed international waters in other to make speeches in front of the UN. She’s very aware of what she’s doing, far more so I would wager than the vast majority of people.

Despite being fully behind securing the sustainable future of diverse life on the planet, I’m equally glad Ferrari are protecting their legacy, and our passion and enjoyment, as long as they can given their negligible impact.

[Dont like rolls]

Repent said:

One of my clients work closely with Greta. She is protected by Swedish government security services who have never seen the volume or severity of threats this 16 year old faces daily. She’s sailed international waters in other to make speeches in front of the UN. She’s very aware of what she’s doing, far more so I would wager than the vast majority of people.

Despite being fully behind securing the sustainable future of diverse life on the planet, I’m equally glad Ferrari are protecting their legacy, and our passion and enjoyment, as long as they can given their negligible impact.

Ok

A protected puppet, but still a puppet.

[SidewaysSi]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Very true. We do need another Greta and XR smashing thread soon.

I am not that bothered about pollution etc but some people are.

[mrpenks]

Dave Hedgehog said:

wab172uk said:

Someone won't be happy

i suspect she is smart enough to know they sell in tiny numbers and normally do very small mileage so have no real measurable impact on the environment

I doubt she is

[Equus]

mrpenks said:

I doubt she is

Possibly she's bright enough to realise that whilever 'halo' brands like Ferrari and Lamborghini are making big, inefficient engines aspirational, their influence will extend much beyond the small numbers of cars that they themselves produce.

What we need is for supercar manufacturers to wake up, smell the coffee and follow Gordon Murray's lead into a future where it's all about light weight, efficiency and driver satisfaction, instead of pissing competitions on meaningless statistics.

[wab172uk]

impprobable said:

"new ferrari patents"

yes say ferrari "we paint da engine red"

[anonymous-user]

So aside from Ferrari and Mazda are any other manufacturers still flying the flag for natural aspiration??

[SidewaysSi]

Equus said:

mrpenks said:

I doubt she is

Possibly she's bright enough to realise that whilever 'halo' brands like Ferrari and Lamborghini are making big, inefficient engines aspirational, their influence will extend much beyond the small numbers of cars that they themselves produce.

What we need is for supercar manufacturers to wake up, smell the coffee and follow Gordon Murray's lead into a future where it's all about light weight, efficiency and driver satisfaction, instead of pissing competitions on meaningless statistics.

I don't think the Fez is exactly crap to drive.