RE: Ferrari bids to save V12 with new patents

RE: Ferrari bids to save V12 with new patents

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unsprung

5,467 posts

124 months

Saturday 26th October 2019
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Equus said:
wake up, smell the coffee
lol, I decided that the world was ending, not because of climate change, but because friends in Blighty began to make regular use of terms like "awesome" and "you guys" wink


Equus

16,916 posts

101 months

Saturday 26th October 2019
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SidewaysSi said:
I don't think the Fez is exactly crap to drive.
Equally, I don't think there are many people who would argue that it's anywhere close to being the ultimate driving machine, despite the cylinder count?

In which case, you gotta ask what the 12 cylinders are actually for, beyond 'tradition' and bragging rights.

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

54 months

Saturday 26th October 2019
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Equus said:
SidewaysSi said:
I don't think the Fez is exactly crap to drive.
Equally, I don't think there are many people who would argue that it's anywhere close to being the ultimate driving machine, despite the cylinder count?

In which case, you gotta ask what the 12 cylinders are actually for, beyond 'tradition' and bragging rights.
That is like calling a Curly Wurly pointless because Dime bars exist.

Equus

16,916 posts

101 months

Saturday 26th October 2019
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Dont like rolls said:
That is like calling a Curly Wurly pointless because Dime bars exist.
If Curly Wurlies cost a fortune and were unacceptably environmentally damaging, that would indeed be the case.

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

54 months

Saturday 26th October 2019
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Equus said:
If Curly Wurlies cost a fortune and were unacceptably environmentally damaging, that would indeed be the case.
Weight for weight they do cost more and they make you fat.....there is still a need in me for one...or two.


Equus

16,916 posts

101 months

Saturday 26th October 2019
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Dont like rolls said:
Weight for weight they do cost more and they make you fat.....there is still a need in me for one...or two.
A need, or a greed?

A1VDY

3,575 posts

127 months

Saturday 26th October 2019
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Hot bulb engine technology..

konster296

155 posts

77 months

Saturday 26th October 2019
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anonymous said:
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That's great news!

Mr Whippy

29,046 posts

241 months

Saturday 26th October 2019
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The biggest ‘issue’ is CO2.

Ferrari should plant loads of trees to offset it.

Secondary is city pollution.

Ferrari should plant loads of trees in cities to offset it.


Unless everyone else’s hybrids are using pure green energy (they’re not), that’s all everyone else is essentially doing.


All these efforts seem bloody stupid to me.

It’s like technology fighting against itself, rather than taking the path of least resistance.


Kudos to Ferrari though for doing the hard job rather than the cheap and easy one.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Saturday 26th October 2019
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Equus said:
Dont like rolls said:
Weight for weight they do cost more and they make you fat.....there is still a need in me for one...or two.
A need, or a greed?
Surely any car is a "greed" if you look at it like that. In which case, I am greedy. Oh well.

Equus

16,916 posts

101 months

Sunday 27th October 2019
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SidewaysSi said:
Surely any car is a "greed" if you look at it like that.
But some are more greedy than others?

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Sunday 27th October 2019
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Equus said:
SidewaysSi said:
Surely any car is a "greed" if you look at it like that.
But some are more greedy than others?
True but where is the line? At a Ford Ka? Maybe a S90? Who deems what is "greedy" anyway?

What about an old 355 - is that bad too?

Equus

16,916 posts

101 months

Sunday 27th October 2019
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SidewaysSi said:
True but where is the line?
Obviously there isn't a line - there's a spectrum.

But it's fairly obvious that a V12 supercar will always be toward the extreme end of that spectrum.

RoverP6B

4,338 posts

128 months

Sunday 27th October 2019
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Good for Ferrari! Hopefully this will filter down... a N/A V6 with this tech in the Giulia would be something special.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Sunday 27th October 2019
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Equus said:
SidewaysSi said:
True but where is the line?
Obviously there isn't a line - there's a spectrum.

But it's fairly obvious that a V12 supercar will always be toward the extreme end of that spectrum.
But so are many cars. Flat 6 Porsche? An old lotus etc.

And who really cares? If someone can afford to run and enjoy a V12 Ferrari then good on them.

Equus

16,916 posts

101 months

Sunday 27th October 2019
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SidewaysSi said:
And who really cares?
You don't think that such statements are becoming increasingly facile, then?

SidewaysSi

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234 months

Sunday 27th October 2019
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Equus said:
SidewaysSi said:
And who really cares?
You don't think that such statements are becoming increasingly facile, then?
As has been explained, a few Ferraris are not going to make a big dent on the world and if that bothers you, anything remotely sporty should also be banned/discouraged.

Personally, emissions have zero bearing on what I drive but appreciate that the (political) world is changing. Hence I will continue to drive what I want for as long as I can.

Equus

16,916 posts

101 months

Sunday 27th October 2019
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SidewaysSi said:
As has been explained, a few Ferraris are not going to make a big dent on the world and if that bothers you, anything remotely sporty should also be banned/discouraged.
As has been explained, the problem with Ferrari making big, inefficient engines aspirational is that it has a knock-on effect out of all proportion to the small numbers of cars they build themselves.

But in any case, we need to get away from the whole ethos of 'it doesn't matter, because it's only me, and I don't count on my own'.

I disagree that anything remotely sporty should necessarily be a problem - lightweight high performance cars like the Elise and LCC Rocket can both be very efficient, and fantastic fun to drive (in reality, probably more so than a V12 Ferrari). Perhaps if Ferrari started to shift their considerable engineering talents in that direction, rather than administering palliative care to dinosaurs?

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

234 months

Sunday 27th October 2019
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Equus said:
SidewaysSi said:
As has been explained, a few Ferraris are not going to make a big dent on the world and if that bothers you, anything remotely sporty should also be banned/discouraged.
As has been explained, the problem with Ferrari making big, inefficient engines aspirational is that it has a knock-on effect out of all proportion to the small numbers of cars they build themselves.

But in any case, we need to get away from the whole ethos of 'it doesn't matter, because it's only me, and I don't count on my own'.

I disagree that anything remotely sporty should necessarily be a problem - lightweight high performance cars like the Elise and LCC Rocket can both be very efficient, and fantastic fun to drive (in reality, probably more so than a V12 Ferrari). Perhaps if Ferrari started to shift their considerable engineering talents in that direction, rather than administering palliative care to dinosaurs?
As has been explained, good luck to them. Maybe it's putting off the inevitable but the longer that happens, so much the better IMO.

I have an Elise and yep it is great fun. But you can't tell me it is the same kind of fun as a Ferrari because it blatantly isn't.

Edited by SidewaysSi on Sunday 27th October 10:19

Equus

16,916 posts

101 months

Sunday 27th October 2019
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SidewaysSi said:
I have an Elise and yep it is great fun. But you can't tell me it is the same kind of fun as a Ferrari because it blatantly isn't.
I never suggested any such thing. It was you who used the term 'anything remotely sporty' and suggested that anything meeting that definition was equally unacceptable as a V12 Ferrari.

You can't tell me that an Elise (yes, I've owned a couple myself; and various Locaterfields) doesn't qualify as even 'remotely sporty', because they blatantly are.