RE: Ferrari bids to save V12 with new patents

[SidewaysSi]

Equus said:

SidewaysSi said:

I have an Elise and yep it is great fun. But you can't tell me it is the same kind of fun as a Ferrari because it blatantly isn't.

I never suggested any such thing. It was you who used the term 'anything remotely sporty' and suggested that anything meeting that definition was equally unacceptable as a V12 Ferrari.

You can't tell me that an Elise (yes, I've owned a couple myself; and various Locaterfields) doesn't qualify as even 'remotely sporty', because they blatantly are.

Nah mate, they are as much fun as a Vivaro.

Anyway, sod this chat - the sun is out, go and burn some fuel and tyres as I will be. Enjoy in good health my man..

[ZX10R NIN]

Glad to see they're trying to keep the V12 relevant.

[BVB]

Fascinating. I believe they use a similar system in the F1 engine. There is a pre combustion within the injector that jets flame into the combustion chamber to ignite the main fuel air charge. One of the ways that current F1 engines have reached 50% efficiency.

[Mr Whippy]

SidewaysSi said:

Equus said:

SidewaysSi said:

And who really cares?

You don't think that such statements are becoming increasingly facile, then?

As has been explained, a few Ferraris are not going to make a big dent on the world and if that bothers you, anything remotely sporty should also be banned/discouraged.

Personally, emissions have zero bearing on what I drive but appreciate that the (political) world is changing. Hence I will continue to drive what I want for as long as I can.

While we’re ‘emissions’ bashing, what about people who cycle for ‘fun’?
Pumping excess co2 out to make energy to travel around for no purpose?

Or air flight? Do you really need to go on holiday on an aeroplane?
Or aeroplane less distance?

Flights to Europe, free.
Flights to ME or Eastern NA, £200 co2 tax.
Flights beyond, £500 tax.

Just like cars that pollute more.


Houses. Let’s start taxing low EPC houses more. Free for high quality rating.
Then £500+ a year for the worst.


None of a lot of what we do is essential, and we all make ‘dirty’ choices or sacrifices.
Cars get a bad wrap.

If we are to be fair, we need to be equitable on the social punishment we dole out to polluters.


Or, we can all just stop being whinging idiots and try avoid burning stuff that comes from fossils, especially in high density urban areas, which ultimately is the big issue here.

Cough Heathrow, cough... literally.

[Jex]

Mr Whippy said:

Or air flight? Do you really need to go on holiday on an aeroplane?
Or aeroplane less distance?

Flights to Europe, free.
Flights to ME or Eastern NA, £200 co2 tax.
Flights beyond, £500 tax.

Cough Heathrow, cough... literally.

Aircraft generate much more CO2 when they take off than at any other stage of the flight, so short flights aren't better in proportion to the distance, so I wouldn't make flights to 'Europe' free.

[Baldchap]

unsprung said:

Equus said:

wake up, smell the coffee

lol, I decided that the world was ending, not because of climate change, but because friends in Blighty began to make regular use of terms like "awesome" and "you guys"

The first recorded use of the word 'awesome' was in 1598. Did this bother you, at the time?

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/6802/a...

[Equus]

Mr Whippy said:

While we’re ‘emissions’ bashing, what about people who cycle for ‘fun’?
Pumping excess co2 out to make energy to travel around for no purpose?

Or air flight? Do you really need to go on holiday on an aeroplane?
Or aeroplane less distance?

Flights to Europe, free.
Flights to ME or Eastern NA, £200 co2 tax.
Flights beyond, £500 tax.

Just like cars that pollute more.


Houses. Let’s start taxing low EPC houses more. Free for high quality rating.
Then £500+ a year for the worst.

All absolutely excellent and necessary ideas. Easier way to tax flights would be per mile - I see no reason why flying to Europe should be free.

Personally, I'd just euthanase anyone who cycles for fun, but taxing them would be a good start.

[Baldchap]

Equus said:

Mr Whippy said:

While we’re ‘emissions’ bashing, what about people who cycle for ‘fun’?
Pumping excess co2 out to make energy to travel around for no purpose?

Or air flight? Do you really need to go on holiday on an aeroplane?
Or aeroplane less distance?

Flights to Europe, free.
Flights to ME or Eastern NA, £200 co2 tax.
Flights beyond, £500 tax.

Just like cars that pollute more.


Houses. Let’s start taxing low EPC houses more. Free for high quality rating.
Then £500+ a year for the worst.

All absolutely excellent and necessary ideas. Easier way to tax flights would be per mile - I see no reason why flying to Europe should be free.

Personally, I'd just euthanase anyone who cycles for fun, but taxing them would be a good start.

We should also tax people based on their BMI, say an additional 10% per point above 25, as they use more resources too.

[Dont like rolls]

Baldchap said:

We should also tax people based on their BMI, say an additional 10% per point above 25, as they use more resources too.

Rebate if less ?

[Equus]

Baldchap said:

We should also tax people based on their BMI, say an additional 10% per point above 25, as they use more resources too.

It doesn't work like that: thin people are converting their food to energy, a process which causes them to exhale carbon dioxide, thus contributing to global warming. Fat people are converting it to fat.

It's the same principle as growing trees to lock in carbon.

It's therefore the fat people who should be taxed less and, as Mr Whippy suggested, those who go around wantonly burning calories for the 'fun' of it, exhaling CO2 all over the place in the process, who are the problem.

[Mr Whippy]

Jex said:

Mr Whippy said:

Or air flight? Do you really need to go on holiday on an aeroplane?
Or aeroplane less distance?

Flights to Europe, free.
Flights to ME or Eastern NA, £200 co2 tax.
Flights beyond, £500 tax.

Cough Heathrow, cough... literally.

Aircraft generate much more CO2 when they take off than at any other stage of the flight, so short flights aren't better in proportion to the distance, so I wouldn't make flights to 'Europe' free.

I didn’t think it needed to be fair or logical, just like the current taxes cars get, even if they sit around and get rarely used.

It just needed to punish the sense of excess.
That is fair and equal if we take the way cars work as an example.

So on that basis, £250 Europe.
£350 Middle East etc.
£500 global.

Also if you go on private jets make it double again.
That kinda balances with the £40,000 car cost extra road tax thing where you’re punished for having money.

[anonymous-user]

Equus said:

It's therefore the fat people who should be taxed less

Only if they are not cremated and are buried a bit more than 6 feet deep ! (6000 feet under a nice deep sea ought to do it....)

[C7 JFW]

Well done Ferrari.

I hope there comes a time when N/A technology is so well balanced and so cleanly refined, that it's more efficient to run N/A than it is with boost.

But we'll see.