RE: Jeep Gladiator Overland | Driven
Discussion
Maldini35 said:
exterior styling plays a huge part in the purchase decision. It’s the reason the heights and angles study for the launch photography is so important.
It's remarkable how such a great expense, second only to one's home, say, can be utterly emotional. And, later on, given support with one's selective use of features and figures.
Jimmy Recard said:
Rudolph Hart said:
Diesels don’t suffer from the same negative perceptions in the US market as the U.K. so this engine option is attracting a lot of interest.
You kidding? Diesel would definitely be the most popular choice for UK customers Edited by A1VDY on Sunday 27th October 19:18
A1VDY said:
Jimmy Recard said:
Rudolph Hart said:
Diesels don’t suffer from the same negative perceptions in the US market as the U.K. so this engine option is attracting a lot of interest.
You kidding? Diesel would definitely be the most popular choice for UK customers Edited by A1VDY on Sunday 27th October 19:18
Zed Ed said:
Presume any U.K. offering would be the 2 litre petrol turbo and not the 3.6 Pentastar which is not available, on euro JLs for example.
A few years back I’d have said no market, but the bik double cab thing has seen pick ups become much more common.
Not sure the Glad will be in a tax wrapper though.
My understanding is that this has a circa 720kg payload in the bed (1600lbs is the quoted number). Which means it is definetly not a commercial vehicle for BIK purposes.A few years back I’d have said no market, but the bik double cab thing has seen pick ups become much more common.
Not sure the Glad will be in a tax wrapper though.
They may sell a couple over here in the UK (there's always one and all that) but I'll be surprised if I ever see one on the roads over here. It just doesn't make sense.
Jimbo89 said:
My understanding is that this has a circa 720kg payload in the bed (1600lbs is the quoted number). Which means it is definetly not a commercial vehicle for BIK purposes.
Your figures are correct about the rated payload.It's a useful payload, but nothing to write home about relative to what commercially-oriented pickup trucks are rated for.
I hope people don't mind too much if I ask a question.
For those like me who are less informed about the way the UK will classify a truck like Gladiator, would you (or anybody here, if that's alright) explain how Gladiator falls outside the lines and is, shall we say, hamstrung in terms of reg / operating costs / etc.?
On a related note, I am aware that the towing rating for Gladiator, in its domestic market, is just over 2000 kg. And towing to that limit would exceed the maximum authorised mass for younger drivers in the UK.
Towing is a little complex. Basically if you took your test after 1997 you can drive a total train weight of 3500kg MAM. This can be a combo of tow vehicle and trailer. This realistically means the most such a person can tow is about 1500kg if you select the correct vehicle to balance the total MAM out to 3500kg.
On top of this regardless of vehicle you can always tow a 750kg MAM trailer. Actually allowing a total train weight of 4250kg.
To make this even foggier, there is an additional trailer test that you can take. This will allow you to tow up to a 3500kg trailer regardless of what the vehicle is.
If you took your test prior to 1997 the above does not apply and you can tow 3500kg straight off.
As for Jeeps. Especially the Wrangler, they have always had really poor tow ratings. No idea why. I also believe most US trucks have a lower load rating than most RoW trucks. Case being the Toyota Tacoma and Hilux. If I recall correctly, the Tacoma can tow more but the Hilux has a higher payload.
Not sure about the BIK levels though.
On top of this regardless of vehicle you can always tow a 750kg MAM trailer. Actually allowing a total train weight of 4250kg.
To make this even foggier, there is an additional trailer test that you can take. This will allow you to tow up to a 3500kg trailer regardless of what the vehicle is.
If you took your test prior to 1997 the above does not apply and you can tow 3500kg straight off.
As for Jeeps. Especially the Wrangler, they have always had really poor tow ratings. No idea why. I also believe most US trucks have a lower load rating than most RoW trucks. Case being the Toyota Tacoma and Hilux. If I recall correctly, the Tacoma can tow more but the Hilux has a higher payload.
Not sure about the BIK levels though.
300bhp/ton said:
As for Jeeps. Especially the Wrangler, they have always had really poor tow ratings. No idea why.
[cock waving]My humble Jeep TrackHawk is rated to tow 7200lb, or 3265kg 
And it has a tow bar. And I tow with it (although admittedly no where as heavy as that) [\cock waving]I like Jeeps, and this looks a decent piece of kit. Presumably not much more than oil changes in terms of servicing.
unsprung said:
Your figures are correct about the rated payload.
It's a useful payload, but nothing to write home about relative to what commercially-oriented pickup trucks are rated for.
I hope people don't mind too much if I ask a question.
For those like me who are less informed about the way the UK will classify a truck like Gladiator, would you (or anybody here, if that's alright) explain how Gladiator falls outside the lines and is, shall we say, hamstrung in terms of reg / operating costs / etc.?
On a related note, I am aware that the towing rating for Gladiator, in its domestic market, is just over 2000 kg. And towing to that limit would exceed the maximum authorised mass for younger drivers in the UK.
All to do with tax rates for personal use of company supplied vehicles.It's a useful payload, but nothing to write home about relative to what commercially-oriented pickup trucks are rated for.
I hope people don't mind too much if I ask a question.
For those like me who are less informed about the way the UK will classify a truck like Gladiator, would you (or anybody here, if that's alright) explain how Gladiator falls outside the lines and is, shall we say, hamstrung in terms of reg / operating costs / etc.?
On a related note, I am aware that the towing rating for Gladiator, in its domestic market, is just over 2000 kg. And towing to that limit would exceed the maximum authorised mass for younger drivers in the UK.
Double cabs sold in the UK will qualify as ‘Light Commercial’ for personal tax purposes if they have a payload of 1000kg or more. They have a very much lower personal tax charge, £3500 x personal tax rate pa ) so they have become quite a common sight.
The Glad on the other hand won’t be classified in this way, plus with its higher emissions will incur quite a lot of tax ( broadly emissions band x price x personal tax rate.)
Zed Ed said:
Double cabs sold in the UK will qualify as ‘Light Commercial’ for personal tax purposes if they have a payload of 1000kg or more.
Et voila. Thanks for providing this figure. Consequently, with a payload of 750 kg, we can see that Gladiator is quite short of the threshold.Zed Ed said:
They have a very much lower personal tax charge, £3500 x personal tax rate pa ) so they have become quite a common sight.
I've noticed this in UK media and even here on PH. There's a segment of the market that is opting for a double cab pickup instead of a traditional SUV or crossover.Zed Ed said:
The Glad on the other hand won’t be classified in this way, plus with its higher emissions will incur quite a lot of tax ( broadly emissions band x price x personal tax rate.)
Not too far from the vehicle equivalent of an ASBO, eh. Twelve-cylinder super car or the Gladiator: equal opportunity offenders!Your detailed explanation is much appreciated. Have an e-lager on me.
I was interested in the payload ratings and did a little research, interestingly the Ford Ranger being sold in the USA has a significantly lower payload rating and lower tow rating than it's European/rest of the world counterpart, despite no changes to the vehicle to cause this.
Basically all I can conclude is, it is a load of b
ks!!! And simply changed for arbitrary political, marketing or taxation reasons by region if the car maker cares or looks into the region they are selling into. Historically Jeep UK have been, for want of a better word. fking useless. So I'm not expecting much here.....
Basically all I can conclude is, it is a load of b
ks!!! And simply changed for arbitrary political, marketing or taxation reasons by region if the car maker cares or looks into the region they are selling into. Historically Jeep UK have been, for want of a better word. fking useless. So I'm not expecting much here.....
Comedian and actor Bill Murray appears in a new television advert for Jeep Gladiator.
video here
https://youtu.be/AnhzGUcENWo
Apparently this will air today during the Super Bowl. In one or two scenes Murray appears to be a bit long in the tooth, but the whole thing, imo, manages to be both commercial and entertaining.
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