RE: New Nissan 370Z finally in development

[Shadow R1]

ZX10R NIN said:

The performance is already on display 0-60 in 5 or under 399bhp 350lbft so it'll have plenty of go & tuning wise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu7RscvugbY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwKRRo4ZLfE

Great stuff, look forward to more details on the car we will get.

[PZR]

StuntmanMike said:

Weird flex.

But OK?

[Prestonese]

If I wanted a modern version of the zed, I'd rather one of these....

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs-guide-japan/d...

[Bright Halo]

With all the bad news in the industry this is brilliant and we should be celebrating it!
Very brave by Nissan/Renault in current climate.

[flukey5]

Prestonese said:

If I wanted a modern version of the zed, I'd rather one of these....

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs-guide-japan/d...

you do know these are ridiculous money right?

[cerb4.5lee]

Shadow R1 said:

ZX10R NIN said:

The performance is already on display 0-60 in 5 or under 399bhp 350lbft so it'll have plenty of go & tuning wise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu7RscvugbY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwKRRo4ZLfE

Great stuff, look forward to more details on the car we will get.

Yes. The tuning potential certainly excites me now that it is moving back to turbos again for sure.

[Prestonese]

flukey5 said:

Prestonese said:

If I wanted a modern version of the zed, I'd rather one of these....

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs-guide-japan/d...

you do know these are ridiculous money right?

It depends what you mean by ridiculous. I also didn't mention budgets being a factor. Just a preference!

But yes, these are expensive. They look stunning though.

[A1VDY]

'A damn sight more aggressive looking' says the write up.
A real shame car design h as gone this way. The face of so many now has this aggressive and depressing look to them.

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[cerb4.5lee]

Bright Halo said:

With all the bad news in the industry this is brilliant and we should be celebrating it!
Very brave by Nissan/Renault in current climate.

Completely agree.

It is a bit of a shock to be fair given how things are currently in the industry for sure.

[ZX10R NIN]

It's actually good financial sense from Nissan they need to get more use out that engine although the Q brand has proved popular with the new Supra taking over last year Nissan needs to get itself some halo models & as good as the Q's are they're not halo.

[spikyone]

Those headlights are very Aston Martin, the rear looks a bit F Type.

It'll be interesting to see how this is priced; they couldn't sell the 370Z at £30k in the UK. For all the suggestions that the GT86 didn't sell, Nissan sold half as many 370s despite its power advantage. Stick a big number on the 400 and they've got no hope. There's a lot of competition in this class.

[300bhp/ton]

Prestonese said:

If I wanted a modern version of the zed, I'd rather one of these....

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs-guide-japan/d...

Not really the same sort of thing though is it.

[unsprung]

So... Will the final product be limited to colours typical of today?

You know: the black, the dark blue, the grey, the silver, the white.

Or will Nissan go a bit retro with a colour palette that includes a bit of 70s magic? Orange, yellow, lime green, purple and so on. Brown!

[Big Hammett]

Looking at the new car, I think that this is about the same size as the Infiniti Q60/Q50. So, will it just be a rebody of the VR30ddtt powered Skyline? Good news for tuners if so, the bigger version of this engine goes to crazy power.

[FN2TypeR]

Prestonese said:

flukey5 said:

Prestonese said:

If I wanted a modern version of the zed, I'd rather one of these....

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs-guide-japan/d...

you do know these are ridiculous money right?

It depends what you mean by ridiculous. I also didn't mention budgets being a factor. Just a preference!

But yes, these are expensive. They look stunning though.

I didn't know that those existed, cheers for the heads up. That is bloody lovely!

[Prestonese]

300bhp/ton said:

Prestonese said:

If I wanted a modern version of the zed, I'd rather one of these....

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs-guide-japan/d...

Not really the same sort of thing though is it.

You could say the same about the new car not really being the same thing as the predecessors. It doesn't stop Nissan playing that same card though. Besides, there is plenty of competition in this segment and I don't think borrowing an engine from one part of the group and the chassis from another isn't really that interesting or going to move the game on. A lot of modern updates of classic models almost have nothing in common with their predecessors other than the badge. Porsche are the best at this but the new 911 far far removed from predecessors. If I was really into the zed ethos, I'd rather look at the back catalogue which gives plenty of options.

That's just my own view on a lot of modern cars. There's very little to excite these days but Nissan aren't the only ones guilty of this craze for power and marketing which makes references back to the old days and their heritage.

[Prestonese]

FN2TypeR said:

Prestonese said:

flukey5 said:

Prestonese said:

If I wanted a modern version of the zed, I'd rather one of these....

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs-guide-japan/d...

you do know these are ridiculous money right?

It depends what you mean by ridiculous. I also didn't mention budgets being a factor. Just a preference!

But yes, these are expensive. They look stunning though.

I didn't know that those existed, cheers for the heads up. That is bloody lovely!

I'm amazed by how low key they have been. There's a 3 year waiting list for one apparently.

[CABC]

i think this will rely upon demand from Japan & US. Europe has gone soft. i hope it comes to fruition and is true to designer's vision. i hope the buying public still value these cars and pay up.

loving the MZR btw...

[300bhp/ton]

Prestonese said:

300bhp/ton said:

Prestonese said:

If I wanted a modern version of the zed, I'd rather one of these....

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs-guide-japan/d...

Not really the same sort of thing though is it.

You could say the same about the new car not really being the same thing as the predecessors. It doesn't stop Nissan playing that same card though. Besides, there is plenty of competition in this segment and I don't think borrowing an engine from one part of the group and the chassis from another isn't really that interesting or going to move the game on. A lot of modern updates of classic models almost have nothing in common with their predecessors other than the badge. Porsche are the best at this but the new 911 far far removed from predecessors. If I was really into the zed ethos, I'd rather look at the back catalogue which gives plenty of options.

That's just my own view on a lot of modern cars. There's very little to excite these days but Nissan aren't the only ones guilty of this craze for power and marketing which makes references back to the old days and their heritage.

Aren't the vast majority of cars built from other bits car makers already build? Especially in mass market models for large multi model/line up car makers??? Or are you trying to suggest that a 240z was completely bespoke in every way and that its engine was used in anything else?


That aside, that was not my point.


You were comparing a Resto mod with a forthcoming production car..... .which are pretty much completely incomparable.


This new Nissan will allow a person to walk into a dealership of a large dealer network. Trade in there current car and spec a brand new one. Pay a deposit and potentially drive off with a PCP deal or similar in a car covered with a comprehensive warranty. And in a car well specced, modern and something someone/anyone could realistically rely on every day, no matter the weather or abuse and leave it outside 24/7.

A 40-60 year old highly modified vehicle that you'll need to pay for outright, have pretty much no warranty and will not want your old car in px is not remotely the same sort of thing.

[Prestonese]

300bhp/ton said:

Prestonese said:

300bhp/ton said:

Prestonese said:

If I wanted a modern version of the zed, I'd rather one of these....

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/tgs-guide-japan/d...

Not really the same sort of thing though is it.

You could say the same about the new car not really being the same thing as the predecessors. It doesn't stop Nissan playing that same card though. Besides, there is plenty of competition in this segment and I don't think borrowing an engine from one part of the group and the chassis from another isn't really that interesting or going to move the game on. A lot of modern updates of classic models almost have nothing in common with their predecessors other than the badge. Porsche are the best at this but the new 911 far far removed from predecessors. If I was really into the zed ethos, I'd rather look at the back catalogue which gives plenty of options.

That's just my own view on a lot of modern cars. There's very little to excite these days but Nissan aren't the only ones guilty of this craze for power and marketing which makes references back to the old days and their heritage.

Aren't the vast majority of cars built from other bits car makers already build? Especially in mass market models for large multi model/line up car makers??? Or are you trying to suggest that a 240z was completely bespoke in every way and that its engine was used in anything else?


That aside, that was not my point.


You were comparing a Resto mod with a forthcoming production car..... .which are pretty much completely incomparable.


This new Nissan will allow a person to walk into a dealership of a large dealer network. Trade in there current car and spec a brand new one. Pay a deposit and potentially drive off with a PCP deal or similar in a car covered with a comprehensive warranty. And in a car well specced, modern and something someone/anyone could realistically rely on every day, no matter the weather or abuse and leave it outside 24/7.

A 40-60 year old highly modified vehicle that you'll need to pay for outright, have pretty much no warranty and will not want your old car in px is not remotely the same sort of thing.

My point really was about manufacturers using parts bin specials and playing on "heritage" to market a new car. Perhaps it stems from my frustrations falling for it in the past. Many modern cars are just a disappointment and adding power to an existing platform under a new body shell doesn't seem that interesting. By the way, there was a fair amount of development for the original 240z. From memory, the chassis was new and the suspension set up was multi link and fairly novel at the time. The engine I think was the development of an existing lump with two cylinders added.

On the buying front, the comparisons for these two cars did genuinely cross my mind but I am aware most buyers have to consider the monthly budget. My original statement was just my preference though. I made no reference to price / cost.

Edited by Prestonese on Friday 29th May 00:23