RE: Ford Puma ST spied
Discussion
nickfrog said:
It sounds like people are more disappointed that they piinched the name rather then drop the model all together. The new model doesn't change the original in any way, does it?
I wouldn't say the Puma is the worst looking small SUV around, certainly not worth getting upset about.
nickfrog said:
It sounds like people are more disappointed that they piinched the name rather then drop the model all together. The new model doesn't change the original in any way, does it?
No, doesn't change the original at all which was a fantastic car and I loved every minute of mine.Using the Puma name and styling cues will gain Ford exactly zero sales over not doing so. They could release this car with literally any other name plate, and it would still sell in exactly the same volumes to 20 somethings who want 'an car' as it will with the Puma name attached. Why do they therefore need to piss over their own heritage? There's no advantage whatsoever, and it smacks purely of a misguided marketing/badge engineering attempt from a company that is by doing so proving it doesn't care about it's customers.
GTEYE said:
nickfrog said:
It sounds like people are more disappointed that they piinched the name rather then drop the model all together. The new model doesn't change the original in any way, does it?
I wouldn't say the Puma is the worst looking small SUV around, certainly not worth getting upset about.
GTEYE said:
nickfrog said:
It sounds like people are more disappointed that they piinched the name rather then drop the model all together. The new model doesn't change the original in any way, does it?
I wouldn't say the Puma is the worst looking small SUV around, certainly not worth getting upset about.
It's not a bad looking car, and it looks more like a hatch than an SUV to me.
kuiper said:
nickfrog said:
It sounds like people are more disappointed that they piinched the name rather then drop the model all together. The new model doesn't change the original in any way, does it?
No, doesn't change the original at all which was a fantastic car and I loved every minute of mine.Using the Puma name and styling cues will gain Ford exactly zero sales over not doing so. They could release this car with literally any other name plate, and it would still sell in exactly the same volumes to 20 somethings who want 'an car' as it will with the Puma name attached. Why do they therefore need to piss over their own heritage? There's no advantage whatsoever, and it smacks purely of a misguided marketing/badge engineering attempt from a company that is by doing so proving it doesn't care about it's customers.
...Also, with every new Ford released, it makes me realise that the mid 1990s to the mid 00s was Ford's golden era. Since then, their cars have been getting progressively blander and uglier with each model launch. I've had a MK4 Focus Zetec as a courtesy car these past 3 weeks after my car was written off. Drives really well, but such an ugly dreary thing to look at.
I'm putting my money where my mouth is too, as I'm picking up a 2000 Ford Focus Mk1 on Sunday, as my new daily driver ! The RPJ era Fords like the original Puma and Focus really were the best!
wab172uk said:
GTEYE said:
It's hardly what you'd call `Good looking` though is it?GTEYE said:
I wouldn't say the Puma is the worst looking small SUV around, certainly not worth getting upset about.
And all the people that are calling it gopping, do you not like any new car designs or this one in particular? A part of me thinks that a lot of people on here look back on the 80s and 90s as producing beautiful everyday cars when in reality we had a load of dross.
Just so strange to call it the Puma when it's the absolute opposite to the brilliant little original Puma, similar I guess to the Kuga and the not so brilliant cougar, or was that name just a coincidence. I'm convinced they would sell an absolute shed load of a new modern original Puma, along the lines of the Toyota gt86.
greenarrow said:
I'm putting my money where my mouth is too, as I'm picking up a 2000 Ford Focus Mk1 on Sunday, as my new daily driver ! The RPJ era Fords like the original Puma and Focus really were the best!
The Mk1 really was the best. 1.6 are ok but the 1.8/2.0 have a fair bit more go and longer gearing.
They drive brilliantly and handle well plus easy to maintain.
Whenever we have one in it doesn't hang around for long.
kuiper said:
No, doesn't change the original at all which was a fantastic car and I loved every minute of mine.
Using the Puma name and styling cues will gain Ford exactly zero sales over not doing so. They could release this car with literally any other name plate, and it would still sell in exactly the same volumes to 20 somethings who want 'an car' as it will with the Puma name attached. Why do they therefore need to piss over their own heritage? There's no advantage whatsoever, and it smacks purely of a misguided marketing/badge engineering attempt from a company that is by doing so proving it doesn't care about it's customers.
LOL the puma's heritage! a puma! come on... The puma is an ugly little fwd blob, hence why they go for £200Using the Puma name and styling cues will gain Ford exactly zero sales over not doing so. They could release this car with literally any other name plate, and it would still sell in exactly the same volumes to 20 somethings who want 'an car' as it will with the Puma name attached. Why do they therefore need to piss over their own heritage? There's no advantage whatsoever, and it smacks purely of a misguided marketing/badge engineering attempt from a company that is by doing so proving it doesn't care about it's customers.
Now it would be a real crime if they remade the ka, with it's aerodynamic shape, rich motorsport history and name derived from feces.
kuiper said:
No, doesn't change the original at all which was a fantastic car and I loved every minute of mine.
Using the Puma name and styling cues will gain Ford exactly zero sales over not doing so. They could release this car with literally any other name plate, and it would still sell in exactly the same volumes to 20 somethings who want 'an car' as it will with the Puma name attached. Why do they therefore need to piss over their own heritage? There's no advantage whatsoever, and it smacks purely of a misguided marketing/badge engineering attempt from a company that is by doing so proving it doesn't care about it's customers.
For me it's not so much pissing over heritage as what the use of the name represents. By sticking the name on this thing, Ford is pretty clearly communicating to me that not only do they have zero intention of making a small cheap coupe in the near future, they think it is so unlikely that they will do so in the next few decades that they may as well recycle the old nameplate for something completely different because they know they won't be needing it again for its old use.Using the Puma name and styling cues will gain Ford exactly zero sales over not doing so. They could release this car with literally any other name plate, and it would still sell in exactly the same volumes to 20 somethings who want 'an car' as it will with the Puma name attached. Why do they therefore need to piss over their own heritage? There's no advantage whatsoever, and it smacks purely of a misguided marketing/badge engineering attempt from a company that is by doing so proving it doesn't care about it's customers.
As someone who rather likes small coupes in general and Pumas in particular (I've had 2), that's rather sad.
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