RE: Lister I-Pace!
Discussion
rodericb said:
There are a lot of petrol and diesel powered Benzes getting around with Artico and having been doing so for a few years now. Alcantara is vegan too, so all those Lambos, McLarens and Ferraris getting around with Alcantara interiors could be said to be very much leading that very trend too. The Velar has a fake leather option so why wouldn't the next LR BEV have a "leather free" interior option?
There is nothing fake leather about the textile option in I-PACE and velar. It’s a celebration of what a premium fabric should be, not hot /cold leather we are brainwashed into seeing as the posh option. Dave Hedgehog said:
NJJ said:
One of the best looking EVs so far and Jaguar would do well to soon launch a meaner looking I-Pace themselves. Hats off to Lister though this and their F-Type variant would be quite the two car garage.
Agreed very nice looking car, bloody horrible to drive ds666 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
NJJ said:
One of the best looking EVs so far and Jaguar would do well to soon launch a meaner looking I-Pace themselves. Hats off to Lister though this and their F-Type variant would be quite the two car garage.
Agreed very nice looking car, bloody horrible to drive It gives the impression its designed for Arthur daily type old boys who potter about at 38mph everywhere and only ever use the throttle when someone tries to overtake them on a B road.
If you could take the body and interior of the F Pace and fit the drivetrain and running gear and tech of the model 3 which is vastly superior to the Jag it would be close to my perfect daily driver with car play ofc.
Dave Hedgehog said:
ds666 said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
NJJ said:
One of the best looking EVs so far and Jaguar would do well to soon launch a meaner looking I-Pace themselves. Hats off to Lister though this and their F-Type variant would be quite the two car garage.
Agreed very nice looking car, bloody horrible to drive It gives the impression its designed for Arthur daily type old boys who potter about at 38mph everywhere and only ever use the throttle when someone tries to overtake them on a B road.
If you could take the body and interior of the F Pace and fit the drivetrain and running gear and tech of the model 3 which is vastly superior to the Jag it would be close to my perfect daily driver with car play ofc.
Sounds like your criticisms surround the brake pedal. But how does that relate to any other driving aspects of the car? Whilst the ride is slightly more comfort biased, the actual chassis balance and steering feel/accuracy is excellent. Sure it’s no Lotus Elise, but it’s certainly more fun to drive than an F Pace. I’d actually choose an I Pace over quite a few other modern cars for fun on a mountain road. And slow? Are you serious?! It’s sub 5s 0-60 and has 700Nm torque. It’s not as quick in a straight line as a Model S P100D, but slow? Not a chance. It’s considerably quicker in a straight line than my GT4....
RacerMike said:
Shot forward? How so? Creep torque is disabled by default.
Sounds like your criticisms surround the brake pedal. But how does that relate to any other driving aspects of the car? Whilst the ride is slightly more comfort biased, the actual chassis balance and steering feel/accuracy is excellent. Sure it’s no Lotus Elise, but it’s certainly more fun to drive than an F Pace. I’d actually choose an I Pace over quite a few other modern cars for fun on a mountain road. And slow? Are you serious?! It’s sub 5s 0-60 and has 700Nm torque. It’s not as quick in a straight line as a Model S P100D, but slow? Not a chance. It’s considerably quicker in a straight line than my GT4....
I had creep enabled as i drive in traffic and it was on the highest regen setting. When i press the brake pedal i expect the brakes to actually be engaged, old fashioned idea i guess. The iPace never felt fast, the numbers may have been going up quickly but it never felt it even compared to my merc, faster to respond but never the sensation of going quickly. Where as the Tesla is just 'fSounds like your criticisms surround the brake pedal. But how does that relate to any other driving aspects of the car? Whilst the ride is slightly more comfort biased, the actual chassis balance and steering feel/accuracy is excellent. Sure it’s no Lotus Elise, but it’s certainly more fun to drive than an F Pace. I’d actually choose an I Pace over quite a few other modern cars for fun on a mountain road. And slow? Are you serious?! It’s sub 5s 0-60 and has 700Nm torque. It’s not as quick in a straight line as a Model S P100D, but slow? Not a chance. It’s considerably quicker in a straight line than my GT4....
k me' quick every time you nail it.I was driving a FL GLA45 with all the performance mods and from my perspective the iPace was as dull to drive as an A6 or E class merc (both of which i have had as long term loaners). Within a mile of driving the Tesla I had to have one, the turn in alone would have been enough to buy one but matched with the performance and the brakes that work exactly as you think they should no contest IMO.
Its also way to expensive, there are cars with under 2k miles for 51k
But we all like different things
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Tuesday 5th November 17:22
Dave Hedgehog said:
RacerMike said:
Shot forward? How so? Creep torque is disabled by default.
Sounds like your criticisms surround the brake pedal. But how does that relate to any other driving aspects of the car? Whilst the ride is slightly more comfort biased, the actual chassis balance and steering feel/accuracy is excellent. Sure it’s no Lotus Elise, but it’s certainly more fun to drive than an F Pace. I’d actually choose an I Pace over quite a few other modern cars for fun on a mountain road. And slow? Are you serious?! It’s sub 5s 0-60 and has 700Nm torque. It’s not as quick in a straight line as a Model S P100D, but slow? Not a chance. It’s considerably quicker in a straight line than my GT4....
I had creep enabled as i drive in traffic and it was on the highest regen setting. When i press the brake pedal i expect the brakes to actually be engaged, old fashioned idea i guess. The iPace never felt fast, the numbers may have been going up quickly but it never felt it even compared to my merc, faster to respond but never the sensation of going quickly. Where as the Tesla is just 'fSounds like your criticisms surround the brake pedal. But how does that relate to any other driving aspects of the car? Whilst the ride is slightly more comfort biased, the actual chassis balance and steering feel/accuracy is excellent. Sure it’s no Lotus Elise, but it’s certainly more fun to drive than an F Pace. I’d actually choose an I Pace over quite a few other modern cars for fun on a mountain road. And slow? Are you serious?! It’s sub 5s 0-60 and has 700Nm torque. It’s not as quick in a straight line as a Model S P100D, but slow? Not a chance. It’s considerably quicker in a straight line than my GT4....
k me' quick every time you nail it.I was driving an GLA45 with all the performance mods and from my perspective the iPace was as dull to drive as an A6 or E class merc. Within a mile of driving the Tesla I had to have one, the turn in alone would have been enough to buy one but matched with the performance and the brakes that work exactly as you think they should no contest IMO.
Its also way to expensive, there are cars with under 2k for 51k
But we all like different things
I guess most of your enjoyment comes from the feeling of acceleration. Which is fine....but don't then claim that anything that's 'slow' is boring. It clearly isn't....it just doesn't fit the one attribute you like. I for instance, don't really like manual gearboxes, but that doesn't make me think that all manual only cars are terrible. Hell....I own two cars with manual boxes, and that doesn't stop me enjoying them. I think they'd be a bit better with DCTs in them, but I'm in the minority.
RacerMike said:
It's all your opinion of course, but I guess the things you find exciting about a car aren't handling related, which is fine, but you can't just broadly state that the handling on an I Pace is terrible. Objectively it's not. Having driven a GLA45 AMG, I can't really see how you would find that fun to drive. It has an understeer led balance, overly brittle damping, tonnes of head toss and dead steering. The Tesla has numb steering, poor primary ride, loads of head toss and poor NVH with a great deal of boom, lots of road and wind noise and a lot of dive and squat.
I guess most of your enjoyment comes from the feeling of acceleration. Which is fine....but don't then claim that anything that's 'slow' is boring. It clearly isn't....it just doesn't fit the one attribute you like. I for instance, don't really like manual gearboxes, but that doesn't make me think that all manual only cars are terrible. Hell....I own two cars with manual boxes, and that doesn't stop me enjoying them. I think they'd be a bit better with DCTs in them, but I'm in the minority.
i dont recall saying the handling was terrible, just dull to drive. and of course slow cars can be hugely entertaining to drive, the jag never felt as fast as the figures it produces, but that's not uncommon in luxo bargesI guess most of your enjoyment comes from the feeling of acceleration. Which is fine....but don't then claim that anything that's 'slow' is boring. It clearly isn't....it just doesn't fit the one attribute you like. I for instance, don't really like manual gearboxes, but that doesn't make me think that all manual only cars are terrible. Hell....I own two cars with manual boxes, and that doesn't stop me enjoying them. I think they'd be a bit better with DCTs in them, but I'm in the minority.
i'm not a racing driver so i don't push the car to the limits of balance on public roads i leave that to monkey and the youtube influencers. The merc had many flaws (the crappy continental OEM tyres and the gearbox to start) but there was not a lot of other choices about at the time the A45 had back breaking suspension and i already had 2 RS3's (and was sick of audi dealers) and the Q3 looks awful. It did drive a lot better than the RS3s thou. C63s was a strong contender as a replacement but at nearly 20k more and 15mpg killed that idea off.
The other thing with the GLA it drives very differently with all the performance mods, 20" MP 4S, mag suspension and most importantly the optional LSD, 99% of them did not have the LSD fitted as it was an expensive option.
For me the tesla is fun to push on in to levels I am happy with on a public road, even in chill mode (6 sec 0-60) the jag was just another competent and dull car just like 99% of other cars on the road. Its the best car I have owned.
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Tuesday 5th November 17:47
You said it was terrible to drive . Now you are saying it isn’t as good as a model 3 to drive ( which test suggest are correct , I haven’t driven one so have no subjective experience ). I have however never seen a single Tesla do anything other than “waft “ .
Regarding the brakes on the ipace . If you read the road correctly you rarely need to use the brakes and can still make progress , you get 0.4g retardation just lifting the accelerator pedal ?
Limit handling on the road , is a rather stupid thing to do all the time and is rather irrelevant to the conversation
I find it strange that all Tesla owners keep taking about is the technology that reduces their need to think when driving ( and then moan that the level 2.6 upgrade doesn’t adjust wiper speed enough or whatever ) . That and 0-60 times which I again imagine the vast majority weren’t interested in before having one ?
Regarding the brakes on the ipace . If you read the road correctly you rarely need to use the brakes and can still make progress , you get 0.4g retardation just lifting the accelerator pedal ?
Limit handling on the road , is a rather stupid thing to do all the time and is rather irrelevant to the conversation
I find it strange that all Tesla owners keep taking about is the technology that reduces their need to think when driving ( and then moan that the level 2.6 upgrade doesn’t adjust wiper speed enough or whatever ) . That and 0-60 times which I again imagine the vast majority weren’t interested in before having one ?
Edited by ds666 on Tuesday 5th November 20:13
Dave Hedgehog said:
Turbobanana said:
Here's something I really don't get with EVs: if the primary goal is to provide continued mobility for humans while looking after the planet (ie not killing the wildlife... or us), then why do several cows have to donate their skin to provide our upholstery? Seems a bit contradictory, and I'm not even a vegan.
The SUV-E looks great, but it feels like there are too many "ifs" for it to become a reality. Hope I'm wrong.
Tesla’s use vegan leather, from the account of Uber drivers it’s the most durable finish and better then leather The SUV-E looks great, but it feels like there are too many "ifs" for it to become a reality. Hope I'm wrong.
Dave Hedgehog said:
Tesla’s use vegan leather, from the account of Uber drivers it’s the most durable finish and better then leather
I’ve the white “vegan leather” in my Model S, and it feels and looks like what it is, high quality vinyl.It’s not bad, not uncomfortable, but clearly not leather.
I’d prefer leather and / or alcantara.
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