RE: Toyota teases new Yaris GR-4

[Martingale]

will-w said:

cdon said:

I want one.

Any word on UK price?

It's roughly 28k for the base car in Japan, so I'd expect between 30 and 35 for the base and performance cars in the UK

The performance version in Japan is 4.56 million yen which translates to ~ £31,000

Based on that here's a method to indicate how much it could be in the UK:
A brand new Toyota Supra in Japan is 4,990,741 yen which translates to £34,800. In the UK it starts at £52,700

That's the sort of difference we're dealing with. In the case of the Supra it's 51% more expensive for us in the UK. So applying the percentage nets us £46,000. While I don't think it'll be that much it won't be far off.
I'll be surprise if this Yaris (performance version) comes in below £40,000

Edited by Martingale on Friday 10th January 12:22

[rossub]

You'd have to be more than a bit mental to spend over £40k on a Yaris.

[Martingale]

rossub said:

You'd have to be more than a bit mental to spend over £40k on a Yaris.

The £72k Megane was sold out.
Depends on the spec list and R&D gone into the car, which for those lucky enough to have that spare money on a car I would say is absolutely worth it.

To me, people spending £50k, £60k......£200k on big SUVs that drive like boat, nearly all based off the same platform with nothing but badge premiums, are more mental.

But each to their own.

[Kolbenkopp]

Martingale said:

Based on that here's a method to indicate how much it could be in the UK:
A brand new Toyota Supra in Japan is 4,990,741 yen which translates to £34,800. In the UK it starts at £52,700

Really hope it's not going to be +50% over here. A bit (lot ) more optimistic data point: GT86 costs 2.7m JPY or 23k EU, the street prices (Germany) start at € 26k. Yen price +10% would work I think.

[epom]

£40k would kinda take the good out of this. Wasn’t the Celica GT4 expensive at the time too ?

[lukeharding]

Martingale said:

rossub said:

You'd have to be more than a bit mental to spend over £40k on a Yaris.

The £72k Megane was sold out.
Depends on the spec list and R&D gone into the car, which for those lucky enough to have that spare money on a car I would say is absolutely worth it.

To me, people spending £50k, £60k......£200k on big SUVs that drive like boat, nearly all based off the same platform with nothing but badge premiums, are more mental.

But each to their own.

That Megane was very limited though, this won't be limited at all.

What SUVs really drive like a boat anymore?

[rossub]

Martingale said:

rossub said:

You'd have to be more than a bit mental to spend over £40k on a Yaris.

The £72k Megane was sold out.
Depends on the spec list and R&D gone into the car, which for those lucky enough to have that spare money on a car I would say is absolutely worth it.

To be fair, spending £72k on a Megane is a good deal more mental than £40k on a Yaris.

£40k completely changes the type of buyer from £30k. A lot of people would happily spend £30k on this as a daily driver (me included), but £40k makes it more of an occasional toy for the much better off - bit like the Megane.

How many are going to stick their hand up and say they'll buy it at £40k+ and use it as their main car to be driven on a daily basis - anyone?

[Kolbenkopp]

rossub said:

How many are going to stick their hand up and say they'll buy it at £40k+ and use it as their main car to be driven on a daily basis - anyone?

Well not me, that would put it close to a A110 and I'd try to scrape together the rest required to fund that. Still think there would be worse deals, sure 25k units minimum will not make it super rare, but I'm optimistic about residuals.

All speculation anyhow. Hope they won't take too long with the price info.

[Onehp]

Onehp said:

Probably, on the other had I've seen so many publications confused with different weight definitions, e.g. the Fiesta ST was at launch 75kg heavier than it actually was for too long a time...

Martingale said:

...
To put this in perspective the fiesta ST mk8, a car everyone praises for it's 'eager, nifty handling' is 1262kg for the 3 door version and that's FWD only.

For ref, the weight is one of the most important factors for me and literally the deal-breaker on why I didn't go ahead with the ST (it grew by 100kg between mk7 and mk8)...

Interesting you illustrated my point so well, too bad you did not get one because of the confusion. Because the new Fiesta ST is 1262kg is according to the EU definition thus including 75kg driver, while the previous gen one was quoted without. So the new ST gained, by real world scales, only about ~30kg....

Let's see what the weight definition is on this one, 1280kg kerb is ok but bit less would be even better...

[J4CKO]

rossub said:

Martingale said:

rossub said:

You'd have to be more than a bit mental to spend over £40k on a Yaris.

The £72k Megane was sold out.
Depends on the spec list and R&D gone into the car, which for those lucky enough to have that spare money on a car I would say is absolutely worth it.

To be fair, spending £72k on a Megane is a good deal more mental than £40k on a Yaris.

£40k completely changes the type of buyer from £30k. A lot of people would happily spend £30k on this as a daily driver (me included), but £40k makes it more of an occasional toy for the much better off - bit like the Megane.

How many are going to stick their hand up and say they'll buy it at £40k+ and use it as their main car to be driven on a daily basis - anyone?

When you have 40 grand in your pocket for a car you dont really start thinking Toyota Yaris, that is edging into RS3/A45 AMG sort of territory.

Depends whether they intend moving any volume, is it a super rare special edition halo car or just a fast Yaris ? the former isn't that relevant to most of us.

A Fiesta ST is a very talented hot hatch, its missing 4wd and is down on power compared to this but it would need to be pretty bloody fantastic to be worth twice what the Fiesta costs, especially If you disregard the fact the Ford is fairly commonplace and this is still new, exciting and has a bit of TRD/JDM mystique.

Funny how nobody has said its 4wd so will be dull ? not that I think it will be but its usually said.

[Onehp]

J4CKO said:

When you have 40 grand in your pocket for a car you dont really start thinking Toyota Yaris, that is edging into RS3/A45 AMG sort of territory.

Depends whether they intend moving any volume, is it a super rare special edition halo car or just a fast Yaris ? the former isn't that relevant to most of us.

A Fiesta ST is a very talented hot hatch, its missing 4wd and is down on power compared to this but it would need to be pretty bloody fantastic to be worth twice what the Fiesta costs, especially If you disregard the fact the Ford is fairly commonplace and this is still new, exciting and has a bit of TRD/JDM mystique.

Funny how nobody has said its 4wd so will be dull ? not that I think it will be but its usually said.

At least for me, because traditional 4wd are set-up very safe. Still waiting road reviews, but hoping this one will be more interesting once the grip limit is found...

[Save Ferris]

will-w said:

Save Ferris said:

We've just taken a deposit on one this morning!

I have just been advised that it is not possible to pre-order these at the moment, and that it is not scheduled for UK launch until the second half of 2020?

We obviously can't order it yet, we have taken a deposit though, so this person will be front of the queue when the 'book opens'
Did you want one as well?

Edited by Save Ferris on Friday 10th January 15:00

[Martingale]

Onehp said:

Onehp said:

Probably, on the other had I've seen so many publications confused with different weight definitions, e.g. the Fiesta ST was at launch 75kg heavier than it actually was for too long a time...

Martingale said:

...
To put this in perspective the fiesta ST mk8, a car everyone praises for it's 'eager, nifty handling' is 1262kg for the 3 door version and that's FWD only.

For ref, the weight is one of the most important factors for me and literally the deal-breaker on why I didn't go ahead with the ST (it grew by 100kg between mk7 and mk8)...

Interesting you illustrated my point so well, too bad you did not get one because of the confusion. Because the new Fiesta ST is 1262kg is according to the EU definition thus including 75kg driver, while the previous gen one was quoted without. So the new ST gained, by real world scales, only about ~30kg....

Let's see what the weight definition is on this one, 1280kg kerb is ok but bit less would be even better...

I think there is some confusion on this. This was covered quite a bit on the fiesta st owners forum. It is around 100kg, both quoted figues are like for like in terms of driver.

For extra verification here's Henry Catchpole's video on it for Carfection where he specifically mentions the 100kg weight increase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFneaU_8Ww4&t=...

[Martingale]

rossub said:

Martingale said:

rossub said:

You'd have to be more than a bit mental to spend over £40k on a Yaris.

The £72k Megane was sold out.
Depends on the spec list and R&D gone into the car, which for those lucky enough to have that spare money on a car I would say is absolutely worth it.

To be fair, spending £72k on a Megane is a good deal more mental than £40k on a Yaris.

£40k completely changes the type of buyer from £30k. A lot of people would happily spend £30k on this as a daily driver (me included), but £40k makes it more of an occasional toy for the much better off - bit like the Megane.

How many are going to stick their hand up and say they'll buy it at £40k+ and use it as their main car to be driven on a daily basis - anyone?

Fair point, here's hoping the 25,000 quantity that keeps getting thrown around is true. So there should be a healthy used market and some bargains 6-8 months after release.

[Dave Hedgehog]

epom said:

£40k would kinda take the good out of this. Wasn’t the Celica GT4 expensive at the time too ?

yeah, i paid what felt like a fortune at the time for mine, but they where a bargain compared to the Supra

[Dave Hedgehog]

J4CKO said:

When you have 40 grand in your pocket for a car you dont really start thinking Toyota Yaris, that is edging into RS3/A45 AMG sort of territory.


Funny how nobody has said its 4wd so will be dull ? not that I think it will be but its usually said.

I would rather spend 40 on a proper skunkworks yaris than 50 on another RS3 or A45

the fact you can set drive 30/70 means its already way ahead of all the haldex derivative cars, i just hope it does not have torque vectoring

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Friday 10th January 15:25

[Kolbenkopp]

Martingale said:

Fair point, here's hoping the 25,000 quantity that keeps getting thrown around is true. So there should be a healthy used market and some bargains 6-8 months after release.

Can't find the source at the moment, but there's an interview out there with GR Division manager Tomoyama where he states they need to make 25k. Could not understand that as I thought FIA homologation is 2.5k units. But turns out that's 2.5k based on a cooking model which itself needs to shift at least 25k / year. The 3 door shell they use is too different from the normal Yaris regs wise, hence the need for the larger volume.

I know it sounds crazy, especially with the Supra in mind, but I'm pretty sure this is correct.

[Kolbenkopp]

Dave Hedgehog said:

The fact you can set drive 30/70 means its already way ahead of all the haldex derivative cars, i just hope it does not have torque vectoring

I'm pretty sure that OOTB, with systems on, this will be as safe as a regular Yaris. Bad press if they sell 25.000 widow makers . Question is how much can be switched off.

Top Gear had a first drive in a pre prod version -- and the guy was a bit underwhelmed actually. Thought it was a bit too civilized. While I might have to give my PH card back any time now I think that's good news. At least for those looking at the Yaris as a potential daily driver.

[will-w]

Martingale said:

Fair point, here's hoping the 25,000 quantity that keeps getting thrown around is true....

It is indeed true - it’s in the press release

Toyota said:

The necessary type certification for participating in an FIA (Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile) race. To acquire WRC homologation, the base model of a vehicle to be entered in a race must have a continuous 12-month production volume of 25,000 units or greater.

[Kawasicki]

Had a look at the dimensions of the car...it’s bigger than I though it would be. Compared to an Audi RS3 it’s 5mm wider, 49mm taller and 348mm shorter.