RE: 'Extreme' McLaren Elva revealed with 815hp

[AmosMoses]

Don't think it looks that great, i imagine it will be very fast and ultimately they will all sell.

[Dynamic Space Wizard]

thegreenhell said:

Dynamic Space Wizard said:

This is bull:

Article said:

Secondly, it is (with a disclaimer of final certification pending) the lightest car ever from McLaren

and

Article said:

Still, the fact that there was a car, a 551kg open-top spaceframe sportscar

There's no way that new one is going to be under 551kg

If you want to be really pedantic, McLaren have built many cars lighter even than 551kg. However, the weight claim is clearly talking about homologated road cars, not racing cars, of which I think the F1 LM is the lightest at just under 1000 kg.

So in other words, it's the lightest car ever from McLaren except all the ones that were lighter

[Ahonen]

Dynamic Space Wizard said:

This is bull:

Article said:

Secondly, it is (with a disclaimer of final certification pending) the lightest car ever from McLaren

and

Article said:

Still, the fact that there was a car, a 551kg open-top spaceframe sportscar

There's no way that new one is going to be under 551kg

The 551kg is referring to the Elva car, not a McLaren.

It'll be interesting if this is as light as the F1, which was a tickle over 1100kg in road form. Given the weights of most current McLaren road cars that would mean a weight saving of some 200kg, which would be huge. I wonder if someone at McLaren has forgotten just how light the F1 really was...

[WCZ]

looks fantastic

[Dynamic Space Wizard]

Ahonen said:

Dynamic Space Wizard said:

This is bull:

Article said:

Secondly, it is (with a disclaimer of final certification pending) the lightest car ever from McLaren

and

Article said:

Still, the fact that there was a car, a 551kg open-top spaceframe sportscar

There's no way that new one is going to be under 551kg

The 551kg is referring to the Elva car, not a McLaren.

It'll be interesting if this is as light as the F1, which was a tickle over 1100kg in road form. Given the weights of most current McLaren road cars that would mean a weight saving of some 200kg, which would be huge. I wonder if someone at McLaren has forgotten just how light the F1 really was...

It was actually a McLaren though, just contracted to Elva to build: https://www.supercars.net/blog/1964-mclaren-m1a/

[Flanners]

AmosMoses said:

Don't think it looks that great, i imagine it will be very fast and ultimately they will all sell.

Yep covered in a ghastly metallic wrap and driven around Central London at 5mph.....or owned by some cheesy smarmy hateful YouTube 'sensation'.

[Davey S2]

I'd genuinely rather a Porsche 991 Speedster than this.

[Baddie]

Looks contrived, will have unusable performance (owners aren’t really going to track it, are they?) without NA charisma. Same engine as a 720S...

I know they’ll probably sell, but I am bored by McLaren’s innumerable variations on the same theme, emperor’s new clothing each time.

The quality and reliability concerns seem to have some substance, and will prevent less affluent enthusiasts taking a punt on used examples in the future, rendering the cars disposable instead of heritable.

[cookie1600]

Ahonen said:

I wonder if someone at McLaren has forgotten just how light the F1 really was...

I suspect they know exactly how much an F1 weighs and how many more safety features (ABS, airbags), crumple zones, emissions equipment etc. they have to incorporate now to meet current legislation worldwide.

[subirg]

I will be very surprised if these sell out easily... Seriously, how many more multi £m limited edition (but not that limited) ‘specials’ which are just rebodies of existing models can the market take? There is no way this is investment grade, so first owners must be prepared to take a giant (McLaren sized) bath on these... Thats almost
Justified when the car can actually be used (eg something with race pedigree), but this is just destined to be a static ornament. I doubt it would be any good outside Harrods either as it doesn’t spout flames and generate anti-social noise at walking pace.

Another day, another ‘special’ that isn’t.

[Wammer]

thelostboy said:

Frimley111R said:

You hear etc... But you hear stories like this about every brand.

Don't forget that many of the cars are derivatives of the same model, not completely new models and all of this keeps the sales funnel going and provides cash for improved quality control etc.

Do you?

I wouldn't touch any McLaren with a barge pole; too many bad stories and depreciation is ridiculous, thanks to them churning out model after model.

They appear to have a one-man design team and, Mclaren, having one engine for every single car makes you look like you have no money...

You people really piss me off always slagging off Mclaren. You do realise one of the worst companies for build quality is Ferrari but you will never here anyone slagging them off as they are looked at as Gods. Here are a few example of Ferrari build quality.

F355 - the manifolds melted and needed to be fixed by taking the apart and redoing the internals with stainless steel instead of the steel they used originally.

360 - Exhaust hangers snapped as the tips weighed to much so people replaced them with aftermarket exhaust systems.

F430 - Engine mounts were too stiff causing massive vibrations through the engine which caused the exhaust hangers to snap and the tips to fall off.

458 - Rear wheel arch liners caught fire.

Also just for anyone who likes to say that Mclaren use the same engine all the time. Ferrari still use pretty much the same engine in the 488 that they did in the F355 and i don't see anyone complaining about that.

[swisstoni]

Greg the Fish said:

swisstoni said:

As I always say, good luck to them and I’m sure they will sell them ‘overseas’.

But I remember Ferrari displayed a pair of similarly pointless types a while ago and they looked better to me.

The Monza SP1 and SP2 that i posted earlier?

Yes.

[CountZero23]

The Hypno-Toad said:

GranCab said:

Maybe the next 'Limited Edition' McL will be called the Elvis ... a bit heavier but still relying on past hits to make a living.

Very good.

I really can't get that excited about yet another limited-run supercar, especially not yet another Mclaren.

It's a shame that so many of the interesting developments in sports cars are happening in this part of the market.

[JxJ Jr.]

Wammer said:

Ferrari still use pretty much the same engine in the 488 that they did in the F355...

Yeah. But they at least chuck it at a different end of the car every now and again.

[Bencolem]

Why are so many people posting about poor quality issues with no ownership experience? Feels like unwarranted discrimination when an actual owner reports no quality issues:

https://karenable.com/mclarens-reliability-update1...

[swisstoni]

Bencolem said:

Why are so many people posting about poor quality issues with no ownership experience? Feels like unwarranted discrimination when an actual owner reports no quality issues:

https://karenable.com/mclarens-reliability-update1...

I was considering an MC12 a while back (they are temptingly cheap for what they are) and I had a browse through PH’s section. Owner’s experiences put me off.
I know that most owners sections consist of 90% moaning but I just didn’t fancy my luck.

[anonymous-user]

You’d look a right blockage driving this about Knave-go-by.

[GranCab]

JxJ Jr. said:

Wammer said:

Ferrari still use pretty much the same engine in the 488 that they did in the F355...

Yeah. But they at least chuck it at a different end of the car every now and again.

@ Wammer the 355 engine is a V8 built by Ferrari, as is the 488 engine ... that's just about all they have in common.

[Petrus1983]

For £1.45m I’d want something more special.

[D4rez]

JxJ Jr. said:

Yeah. But they at least chuck it at a different end of the car every now and again.

What just to keep you interested? It certainly wouldn’t be for dynamics or packaging or weight. I think they’ll pass.

I don’t understand why Ferrari get so much love for the same strategy of rebodied Series production cars yet Mclaren don’t - in both cases they will feel very different which is the important part. Yes Ferrari have the Tipo 140 V12 that has been in production since 2002, get over it. The incremental investment to keep it going for a few more years therefore makes a load of commercial sense for Ferrari. Whereas for a McLaren or Lotus a fresh investment for an engine that just won’t be legal in a few years time and is hugely overweight makes none.