RE: BMW i4: 530hp, 372 miles of range confirmed
Discussion
jamoor said:
Terminator X said:
Ares said:
RobDickinson said:
GTEYE said:
The article quotes the concept i4 as producing 530hp and a range of 350 miles.
To be absolutely honest, I'd be more impressed if it was 350hp and 530 miles range.
In the real world, wouldn't enhanced range be a bigger selling point?
That's not how it works though To be absolutely honest, I'd be more impressed if it was 350hp and 530 miles range.
In the real world, wouldn't enhanced range be a bigger selling point?
And I can't think of many 530hp cars that can do 350 miles on one 'tank'....
TX.
It’s probably more as most people don’t have a petrol station no their doorstep (mines a 10 minute round trip)
The M5 therefore seems like a mugs game.
Certainly easier than if your house has off street parking, but you have to dig up half the car park to get a charging cable in.
Or just ask the chap who comes round to clean the cars to also fill them up.
It comes as a shock to extremists of both sides that the majority of people really don’t care. Most people don’t have a comedic fear of petrol stations. No one cares about a few minutes a week spent either standing at a fuel pump or plugging a car in. Most people are also capable of buying the product that works best for them whether that is price determined, convenience determined, fun or image projection.
These new EVs are interesting and a nice change. No one has to buy one as seen by the fact that few people do indeed buy them but if they work for you or you just want something different then they are coming to finance venders near all of us. And some of us will buy them. Some won’t. Not a single person has to. And for some people getting hold of one validates their entire life and makes them feel superior after a lifetime of feeling inferior. I’m amazed those chaps can’t get them in the NHS.
It comes as a shock to extremists of both sides that the majority of people really don’t care. Most people don’t have a comedic fear of petrol stations. No one cares about a few minutes a week spent either standing at a fuel pump or plugging a car in. Most people are also capable of buying the product that works best for them whether that is price determined, convenience determined, fun or image projection.
These new EVs are interesting and a nice change. No one has to buy one as seen by the fact that few people do indeed buy them but if they work for you or you just want something different then they are coming to finance venders near all of us. And some of us will buy them. Some won’t. Not a single person has to. And for some people getting hold of one validates their entire life and makes them feel superior after a lifetime of feeling inferior. I’m amazed those chaps can’t get them in the NHS.
bodhi said:
jamoor said:
Terminator X said:
Ares said:
RobDickinson said:
GTEYE said:
The article quotes the concept i4 as producing 530hp and a range of 350 miles.
To be absolutely honest, I'd be more impressed if it was 350hp and 530 miles range.
In the real world, wouldn't enhanced range be a bigger selling point?
That's not how it works though To be absolutely honest, I'd be more impressed if it was 350hp and 530 miles range.
In the real world, wouldn't enhanced range be a bigger selling point?
And I can't think of many 530hp cars that can do 350 miles on one 'tank'....
TX.
It’s probably more as most people don’t have a petrol station no their doorstep (mines a 10 minute round trip)
The M5 therefore seems like a mugs game.
Certainly easier than if your house has off street parking, but you have to dig up half the car park to get a charging cable in.
20 minutes a week times 52 that’s 17 hours of your life spent filling up your car with petrol.
jamoor said:
Not really, it’s five minutes there five minutes back plus ten minutes filling up.
20 minutes a week times 52 that’s 17 hours of your life spent filling up your car with petrol.
Do people actually get in a car, drive to a petrol station, stand there for 10 minutes (7 minutes just doing nothing?) and then drive home and park? Doing that would be as mental as thinking that filling up a car every so often is some kind of devastating issue that warrants spending tens of thousands to solve while getting a whole load of other issues in exchange. 20 minutes a week times 52 that’s 17 hours of your life spent filling up your car with petrol.
If the best defence for an EV is that you can plug it in 4 times a day every day instead of a quick fill up on your way somewhere every so often then the world has gone mental.
Mouse Rat said:
In 15 to 20 years we'll be laughing on how we all thought BEV's were the future.
EV's for sure but I think we will see the rise of Hydrogen or Synthetically fuelled EV hybrids soon.
Every time, every thread! Hydrogen is old dead end tech. It's been tried before. It's hopelessly inefficient. EV's for sure but I think we will see the rise of Hydrogen or Synthetically fuelled EV hybrids soon.
DonkeyApple said:
jamoor said:
Not really, it’s five minutes there five minutes back plus ten minutes filling up.
20 minutes a week times 52 that’s 17 hours of your life spent filling up your car with petrol.
Do people actually get in a car, drive to a petrol station, stand there for 10 minutes (7 minutes just doing nothing?) and then drive home and park? Doing that would be as mental as thinking that filling up a car every so often is some kind of devastating issue that warrants spending tens of thousands to solve while getting a whole load of other issues in exchange. 20 minutes a week times 52 that’s 17 hours of your life spent filling up your car with petrol.
If the best defence for an EV is that you can plug it in 4 times a day every day instead of a quick fill up on your way somewhere every so often then the world has gone mental.
As I said a quick fill up is actually 8 hours a year out of your life.
jamoor said:
bodhi said:
jamoor said:
Terminator X said:
Ares said:
RobDickinson said:
GTEYE said:
The article quotes the concept i4 as producing 530hp and a range of 350 miles.
To be absolutely honest, I'd be more impressed if it was 350hp and 530 miles range.
In the real world, wouldn't enhanced range be a bigger selling point?
That's not how it works though To be absolutely honest, I'd be more impressed if it was 350hp and 530 miles range.
In the real world, wouldn't enhanced range be a bigger selling point?
And I can't think of many 530hp cars that can do 350 miles on one 'tank'....
TX.
It’s probably more as most people don’t have a petrol station no their doorstep (mines a 10 minute round trip)
The M5 therefore seems like a mugs game.
Certainly easier than if your house has off street parking, but you have to dig up half the car park to get a charging cable in.
20 minutes a week times 52 that’s 17 hours of your life spent filling up your car with petrol.
Which begs the question, what the f
k are you doing at petrol station to take 10 minutes over the evercise? Did you used to drive a Lexii and have issues with someone called Dan? bodhi said:
jamoor said:
bodhi said:
jamoor said:
Terminator X said:
Ares said:
RobDickinson said:
GTEYE said:
The article quotes the concept i4 as producing 530hp and a range of 350 miles.
To be absolutely honest, I'd be more impressed if it was 350hp and 530 miles range.
In the real world, wouldn't enhanced range be a bigger selling point?
That's not how it works though To be absolutely honest, I'd be more impressed if it was 350hp and 530 miles range.
In the real world, wouldn't enhanced range be a bigger selling point?
And I can't think of many 530hp cars that can do 350 miles on one 'tank'....
TX.
It’s probably more as most people don’t have a petrol station no their doorstep (mines a 10 minute round trip)
The M5 therefore seems like a mugs game.
Certainly easier than if your house has off street parking, but you have to dig up half the car park to get a charging cable in.
20 minutes a week times 52 that’s 17 hours of your life spent filling up your car with petrol.
Which begs the question, what the f
k are you doing at petrol station to take 10 minutes over the evercise? Did you used to drive a Lexii and have issues with someone called Dan? I think a pump will probably dispense a liter every 4 seconds so filling up a 70L tank is probably around 3 mins + 3 mins queuing for the person in front who wants to pay and shop at the mini market.
Trust me its a ballache chore that i could do without in my life. I can think of much better things to do than go into a petrol station and its not just because I drive an EV I've hated filling up for at least 10 years.
jamoor said:
Ever had to queue to find a pump, queue to pay (or queue to find a pump that has pay at terminal) also as a business user saving the reciept for the fuel.
I think a pump will probably dispense a liter every 4 seconds so filling up a 70L tank is probably around 3 mins + 3 mins queuing for the person in front who wants to pay and shop at the mini market.
Trust me its a ballache chore that i could do without in my life. I can think of much better things to do than go into a petrol station and its not just because I drive an EV I've hated filling up for at least 10 years.
Your version of filling up sounds like a nightmare to be honest. My experience involves stopping at a known good petrol station on one of my regular routes, when range is 100 miles or less, filling tank, paying (at pump ideally) and leaving. I’ve certainly never managed to turn it into a 20 minute ordeal.I think a pump will probably dispense a liter every 4 seconds so filling up a 70L tank is probably around 3 mins + 3 mins queuing for the person in front who wants to pay and shop at the mini market.
Trust me its a ballache chore that i could do without in my life. I can think of much better things to do than go into a petrol station and its not just because I drive an EV I've hated filling up for at least 10 years.
I’ll have an EV alongside my M5 in the near future so will be interesting to compare.
jamoor said:
Ever had to queue to find a pump, queue to pay (or queue to find a pump that has pay at terminal) also as a business user saving the reciept for the fuel.
I think a pump will probably dispense a liter every 4 seconds so filling up a 70L tank is probably around 3 mins + 3 mins queuing for the person in front who wants to pay and shop at the mini market.
Trust me its a ballache chore that i could do without in my life. I can think of much better things to do than go into a petrol station and its not just because I drive an EV I've hated filling up for at least 10 years.
I very rarely have to queue, as I can normally save filling up until an Off Peak time and drive straight to a pump, and be in and out in under 5 minutes every time. I'm also a business user, and getting a receipt adds 10 seconds to the process, if I can be bothered at all. I think a pump will probably dispense a liter every 4 seconds so filling up a 70L tank is probably around 3 mins + 3 mins queuing for the person in front who wants to pay and shop at the mini market.
Trust me its a ballache chore that i could do without in my life. I can think of much better things to do than go into a petrol station and its not just because I drive an EV I've hated filling up for at least 10 years.
Compared to the ball ache of having the car park dug up so I can run a car I have zero interest in driving, the above seems quite straightforward.
theboss said:
jamoor said:
Ever had to queue to find a pump, queue to pay (or queue to find a pump that has pay at terminal) also as a business user saving the reciept for the fuel.
I think a pump will probably dispense a liter every 4 seconds so filling up a 70L tank is probably around 3 mins + 3 mins queuing for the person in front who wants to pay and shop at the mini market.
Trust me its a ballache chore that i could do without in my life. I can think of much better things to do than go into a petrol station and its not just because I drive an EV I've hated filling up for at least 10 years.
Your version of filling up sounds like a nightmare to be honest. My experience involves stopping at a known good petrol station on one of my regular routes, when range is 100 miles or less, filling tank, paying (at pump ideally) and leaving. I’ve certainly never managed to turn it into a 20 minute ordeal.I think a pump will probably dispense a liter every 4 seconds so filling up a 70L tank is probably around 3 mins + 3 mins queuing for the person in front who wants to pay and shop at the mini market.
Trust me its a ballache chore that i could do without in my life. I can think of much better things to do than go into a petrol station and its not just because I drive an EV I've hated filling up for at least 10 years.
I’ll have an EV alongside my M5 in the near future so will be interesting to compare.
Once I pulled into a forecourt that was busy and there was no way out as the forecourt was too small and there was a queue going onto the street. What an ordeal.
jamoor said:
Indeed, its sometimes an ordeal in my instance, I could stop at a regular route one thats always empty but it will cost an extra £5-6 to fill up as its always more expensive.
Once I pulled into a forecourt that was busy and there was no way out as the forecourt was too small and there was a queue going onto the street. What an ordeal.
The important thing is to appreciate that what is a chore for you because of your lifestyle isn’t per se a chore for people with a different lifestyle. While also making the same step in appreciating that things that you do t like such as filling a car up don’t bother others. Once I pulled into a forecourt that was busy and there was no way out as the forecourt was too small and there was a queue going onto the street. What an ordeal.
Likewise there will be people who categorically don’t want the faff of having to plug a car in when they get home. Or people who don’t want the faff of having to plan a journey around plug sockets.
It’s clearly something important to you but that doesn’t mean it’s of relevance to others.
And let’s face the real truth which is that these ‘massive benefits based on invented heinous lifestyle problems’ is just a part of the man maths model to try and justify buying a new toy that makes you feel happy. It’s ultimately degrading to then have to justify that fun and personal choice with such feeble excuses.
These modern EVs are fun. Whether the excitement comes from using an app to get them drive into your garage wall, the hilarious acceleration, the completely different driving experience or just about showing off, they are about fun and buying a toy that we want. They don’t need fabricated drama like an ITV reality TV show.
RobDickinson said:
Says the person driving a 330 diesel bmw.
Nice try, but I sold that around 5 years ago now. I could update my profile, but that fits into the Life's too Short category tbh.Although I did find the 330d more fun to drive than my bro in laws Model 3, even if it was slightly slower. It felt like a car, rather than an oversized golf buggy, but maybe that was just me.
JD said:
yonex said:
If you actually read what was written. But let’s not let that small issue get in the way of whatever point you’re attempting to make, you did have one i take it?
I was just explaining my opinion. Everyone has priorities when they choose a car. For me how a car drives is quite high on my scale, which is why I feel a Model 3 is so good, as a great combination of how it handles and how fast it goes.
For you I guess that’s not important.
My point is that people really should go and try a good electric car, as that’s likely the root of the Tesla fanboyism, because they really are quite something compared to an ice and it’s quite a revelation.
You see I have to disagree. I just wasnt impressed at all. Two weeks with a Model S 85 and I genuinely didnt like it. Fast yes. Boring yes. Poorly made yes. Numerous faults yes. Alarming number of squeaks creaks and rattles yes.
Since, I've spent 2 hours in a Model 3 performance and aside from less squeaks and creaks but a worse interior i still dont get the appeal of Teslas.
It must simply be the running costs and charge network that keeps owners happy.
Ares said:
A small fact lost on the ignorant
And I can't think of many 530hp cars that can do 350 miles on one 'tank'....
My 560hp F10 M5 would do over 350 miles on a tank and my current X3M will also do more than 350 miles although that's only 510ps but of course that's dependant on driving style and certainly not really achievable around town where an EV excels. Although I'd wager the EV won't do 350 miles on a motorway run at 70-80mph, the ideal scenario seems reversed EV vs ICE in terms of best case efficiency and range.And I can't think of many 530hp cars that can do 350 miles on one 'tank'....
Wills2 said:
Ares said:
A small fact lost on the ignorant
And I can't think of many 530hp cars that can do 350 miles on one 'tank'....
My 560hp F10 M5 would do over 350 miles on a tank and my current X3M will also do more than 350 miles although that's only 510ps but of course that's dependant on driving style and certainly not really achievable around town where an EV excels. Although I'd wager the EV won't do 350 miles on a motorway run at 70-80mph, the ideal scenario seems reversed EV vs ICE in terms of best case efficiency and range.And I can't think of many 530hp cars that can do 350 miles on one 'tank'....
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