RE: MY20 Alfa Romeo Giulia and Stelvio | Driven

[Ares]

SidewaysSi said:

Ares said:

Miserablegit said:

Ares said:

The issue isn't the cars, they are class defining for sports saloons...(although the interior tweaks are welcome and will broaden the appeal)

It is partly the dealers.
It is largely the dealer network.

But the biggest hurdle is the place that the big germans have in the two markets.

The Giulia is the fourth best selling cars in its class behind the three Germans. They better all the other non-Germans. But the place that BMW, Audi and Merc hold in that segment provides a huge barrier to entry....and with a dire dealer network, and utterly st dealers, Alfa won't gain that ground.

Sorry for not being clear
I think the QF is best in class. Dealers let them down.
I was looking to replace something else but Alfa dealer experience was shockingly poor after initial contact at Goodwood so I just kept what I had as the German option didn’t do it for me.
I don’t think a trim level is going to change that unless it is made from the hide of Alfa dealers.

My Alfa is possibly the best car I've every owned. It's certainly the best 4-seater I've owned. It's the first car I'm not starting to get excited about replacing after 2yrs.....but I won't have another purely down to customer service, Dealers AND ARUK.

So you have had issues? Can't have all been plain sailing by the sounds of things?

The car has been amazing. More reliable and far better to own/drive/etc than any of my previous BMWs and Mercs...... But the dealers are beyond crap, very few and far between, and several of them raw corrupt. ARUK aren't much better.

[Ares]

Wills2 said:

The 2.0l 4 pot, 280hp, £46,000 Giulia's biggest issue is the straight 6 3.0l 374hp £48,000 M340i, it needs to be a lot cheaper.

It is. It's £39k (on the AR website....?)

[Ares]

SidewaysSi said:

Howard1650 said:

Having driven the Alfa Giulia and Volvo S60 T5 back to back , imho the Volvo wins. The Alfa is good , but take the badge away the Volvo is better, plus you can get the V60 wagon.

It's not better if you want RWD.

Or to feel like you are connected.

[Black S2K]

Ares said:

Wills2 said:

The 2.0l 4 pot, 280hp, £46,000 Giulia's biggest issue is the straight 6 3.0l 374hp £48,000 M340i, it needs to be a lot cheaper.

It is. It's £39k (on the AR website....?)

TBF, I think it's the Veloce Ti (with all the bling/tat) which is £46K.

Giulia Veloce Ti. Sorry, I just like typing Giulia Veloce Ti.

And I'm one of those that's never actually owned an Alfa Romeo...

[Ares]

Black S2K said:

Ares said:

Wills2 said:

The 2.0l 4 pot, 280hp, £46,000 Giulia's biggest issue is the straight 6 3.0l 374hp £48,000 M340i, it needs to be a lot cheaper.

It is. It's £39k (on the AR website....?)

TBF, I think it's the Veloce Ti (with all the bling/tat) which is £46K.

Giulia Veloce Ti. Sorry, I just like typing Giulia Veloce Ti.

And I'm one of those that's never actually owned an Alfa Romeo...

Fair enough, so that's like the 340i Shadow edition when they did it, that cam with extra tat, and a £premium.

[theplayingmantis]

Howard1650 said:

Having driven the Alfa Giulia and Volvo S60 T5 back to back , imho the Volvo wins. The Alfa is good , but take the badge away the Volvo is better, plus you can get the V60 wagon.

As much as I like the S60 I can only assume you mean in all round package. As a driving machine the Alfa is way better. Interior, other materialistic things yes the Volvo is nicer

[Micky Louse]

Love the negativity from the usual Alfa experts, the usual who have never owned or driven an Alfa. And why the need to have upgrades and face lifts every year just to satisfy the droolers.