Deer collision

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blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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RobM77 said:
Maybe it's my years of racing,
rolleyes


swisstoni

16,997 posts

279 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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andyxxx said:
LimaDelta said:
Estimated at around 70,000 hit by cars per year in the UK,.
I'm sure there are loads - but I can't believe that estimate.
I can’t believe there are 70k deer in the entire British Isles let alone that number being struck by vehicles every year.

LimaDelta

6,522 posts

218 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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swisstoni said:
andyxxx said:
LimaDelta said:
Estimated at around 70,000 hit by cars per year in the UK,.
I'm sure there are loads - but I can't believe that estimate.
I can’t believe there are 70k deer in the entire British Isles let alone that number being struck by vehicles every year.
There are 1.5 to 2 million of the six native species in the UK. As I said earlier, the highest number for over 1000 years.

RobM77

35,349 posts

234 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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blade7 said:
RobM77 said:
Maybe it's my years of racing,
rolleyes
Oo, there's nothing like quoting someone totally out of context is there? I immediately followed that with "but I'm assuming it's not". You remind me of creationists who quote Darwin as saying "I sometimes think the eye is too complex to have evolved", whilst missing out the next sentence which says "but then every time I realise that's nonsense and it's just..."

Besides, I think the train of thought I was expressing in that post is completely relevant. Why is it that people think any form or swerving or braking is going to end in sudden death? Genuine question, because they do think this and it comes up time and time again on PH. Not only is hitting the animal going to cause it pain, suffering, or death, but it could also come off far worse for the car than avoiding the animal. At its most basic, I'm referring to the Swedish elk test at any speed below the threshold speed - you avoid an elk in your face.

Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 20th November 15:15

blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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RobM77 said:
blade7 said:
RobM77 said:
Maybe it's my years of racing,
rolleyes
Oo, there's nothing like quoting someone totally out of context is there? I immediately followed that with "but I'm assuming it's not". You remind me of creationists who quote Darwin as saying "I sometimes think the eye is too complex to have evolved", whilst missing out the next sentence which says "but then every time I realise that's nonsense and it's just..."
You seem to mention it in just about every thread you reply to...

RobM77

35,349 posts

234 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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blade7 said:
RobM77 said:
blade7 said:
RobM77 said:
Maybe it's my years of racing,
rolleyes
Oo, there's nothing like quoting someone totally out of context is there? I immediately followed that with "but I'm assuming it's not". You remind me of creationists who quote Darwin as saying "I sometimes think the eye is too complex to have evolved", whilst missing out the next sentence which says "but then every time I realise that's nonsense and it's just..."
You seem to mention it in just about every thread you reply to...
Not even remotely true. You're quite desperate aren't you? Making stuff up, misquoting me. Stop being such a mindless bully and contribute something positive to the forum.

swisstoni

16,997 posts

279 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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So deer are on target to outnumber the population of Wales.

LimaDelta

6,522 posts

218 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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swisstoni said:
So deer are on target to outnumber the population of Wales.
Quite. I can't wait until you find out about the Sheep! hehe

Jasey_

4,869 posts

178 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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RobM77 said:
blade7 said:
RobM77 said:
Maybe it's my years of racing,
rolleyes
Oo, there's nothing like quoting someone totally out of context is there? I immediately followed that with "but I'm assuming it's not". You remind me of creationists who quote Darwin as saying "I sometimes think the eye is too complex to have evolved", whilst missing out the next sentence which says "but then every time I realise that's nonsense and it's just..."

Besides, I think the train of thought I was expressing in that post is completely relevant. Why is it that people think any form or swerving or braking is going to end in sudden death? Genuine question, because they do think this and it comes up time and time again on PH. Not only is hitting the animal going to cause it pain, suffering, or death, but it could also come off far worse for the car than avoiding the animal. At its most basic, I'm referring to the Swedish elk test at any speed below the threshold speed - you avoid an elk in your face.

Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 20th November 15:15
For most people suddenly swerving to miss an animal that has suddenly appeared out of nowhere has the potential to end up very bad.

If an elephant suddenly leaps out of the hedgerow you are probably best avoiding it.

The advice is sound to not suddenly swerve,

I don't think anyone is suggesting if you see a beast 200 yards away you shouldn't take evasive action.

blueg33

35,901 posts

224 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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Hit a deer in my daughters fiesta in May


Funky Panda

221 posts

87 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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No idea if they helped but I fitted some deer screamers to my car when I did a road trip of Scotland a few years ago.
I have hit a very large crow on the A50 which got wedged in the grill and brought home like a grotesque boomer badge.
Mates dad hit a badger in his XJR which messed up the bumper and fog lights.

bigandclever

13,789 posts

238 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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LimaDelta said:
mikeswagon said:
red_slr said:
Not sure I trust that figure that's just under 200 a day.
I was thinking the same.
As another poster already explained, given 327 billion miles are driven on uk roads each year, that is only one deer collision for every 4.5 million miles driven.

I also posted a study, I can link more if you are interested? Where are you getting your figures from or are they plucked from thin air?
Far be it from me to look askew at that data, but from a database containing ~73,000 total deer collision reports between 2000 and 2010 across England and Scotland, they've somehow conjured up that that means up to 74,000 deer collisions a year. Unless the Welsh are going mental for running over Bambi (no records are available), there's some big extrapolation going on.

Page ii Section iii-v if someone wants to correct my reading smile

Rich Boy Spanner

1,314 posts

130 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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Wouldn't fancy hitting a deer. I did once hit a fox at 85 MPH when I was younger and more fun. I did manage to drive home the 200 miles with a bent intercooler, broken bumper, fog lights, and some plastic thing that ran entirely around the engine bay (2001 Polo) that I never entirely worked out the purpose of, and it still had bits of fox hair on the hatch. The car needed insurance company attention to fix it but not written off.

Jasey_

4,869 posts

178 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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"The family of a teenager killed after his car burst into flames in a horror Highland crash have paid tribute to their “happy-go-lucky boy” – who is understood to have swerved into an oncoming car to avoid deer"

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/highland...

My Boss's dad was in hospital recently and got talking to a young lad who had also swerved to avoid a deer.

He's in a wheel chair for the rest of his life frown.

blade7

11,311 posts

216 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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RobM77 said:
Not even remotely true. You're quite desperate aren't you? Making stuff up, misquoting me. Stop being such a mindless bully and contribute something positive to the forum.
Waving the tired old bully card eh. If this is your idea of bullying you must have led a sheltered life.

Zetec-S

5,874 posts

93 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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red_slr said:
LimaDelta said:
Estimated at around 70,000 hit by cars per year in the UK, they like to lick the salt off the roads which doesn't help at this time of year. We also have the highest deer population for 1000 years.

You are lucky you just clipped it. Could have been a lot worse.
Not sure I trust that figure that's just under 200 a day.
Relatively speaking it's not that many. I commute across a rural part of Dorset, and seen a fair number of deer in the fields or run out in front of me. Luckily I've avoided hitting anything more than a pheasant (which broke a clip holding the front foglight in place), and a couple of pigeons, but I suspect that at some point my luck will run out.

I reckon I notice a dead deer by the side of the road on average every 2 or 3 weeks. Not to mention the ones I don't see. And that's only on a very small 25mile section of the road network. Extrapolate that out across the entire (rural) road network in Dorset, that could easily work out at 5-10 a day... then extrapolate those figures across the entire UK... 200 a day seems entirely reasonable.

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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I have always wondered how does the insurance aspect work in these instances:
a) if you hit the deer? but no dead deer on road
b) if you swerve to avoid and damage car as result?

Obviously if you have a dash cam this is simple but at least 90+% of cars don't so surely there must be many false deer accident claims?

alfaspecial

1,132 posts

140 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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There is lots of shooting (pheasants etc) where I live.
I was walking along the road yesterday, into the village.
I had to step over a smallish, dead (I think) deer on the pavement. When I came back 1/2 hour later it had gone.

Was it just stunned? Or is one of my neighbours stocking up on venison for Christmas!

RobM77

35,349 posts

234 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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blade7 said:
RobM77 said:
Not even remotely true. You're quite desperate aren't you? Making stuff up, misquoting me. Stop being such a mindless bully and contribute something positive to the forum.
Waving the tired old bully card eh. If this is your idea of bullying you must have led a sheltered life.
I never said the spectrum of bullying ends there, but it certainly starts there, yes, and that makes you a bully. I'm sure you're aware of that already though, seeing as you describe the accusation as "tired" and "old".


Edited by RobM77 on Wednesday 20th November 16:29

Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Wednesday 20th November 2019
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jsd14 said:
I have always wondered how does the insurance aspect work in these instances:
a) if you hit the deer? but no dead deer on road
b) if you swerve to avoid and damage car as result?

Obviously if you have a dash cam this is simple but at least 90+% of cars don't so surely there must be many false deer accident claims?
Well its a moot point really. You aren't claiming against a third party so the claim is all on your own insurance policy, so its quite simple.