RE: Tesla wants us all to talk about the Cybertruck
Discussion
RobDickinson said:
RacerMike said:
RobDickinson said:
My local gas station has a fast charger ...
I bet you don’t live in rural Nebraska
And here lies the problem. No one is forcing a EV’s down their necks....and no one will do. So why would they chose a weird looking car that also means they have to change their behaviour?
RobDickinson said:
Really interesting look at the Aero of the truck. Looks like tesla know what they are doing..
I don't think many people doubted that building something shaped like that would demonstrate good aero. Against the competition, hardly an achievement.Amusing that some people are calculating that solar panels with enough area to power an entire house should just about get a ****ing huge barge of a vehicle to manage a commute trip for it's single occupant. That should put the profligacy in context.
As usual Tuna no idea what you are talking about...
USA average commute is 16 miles, Cybertruck is around 400wh/mi so 6.4kwh for that, or about an hours worth of a decent home solar system.
edit -
Its about half as efficient as a model 3.
Which means twice as efficient as a small city car and about 10 times as efficient as a comparable truck.
USA average commute is 16 miles, Cybertruck is around 400wh/mi so 6.4kwh for that, or about an hours worth of a decent home solar system.
edit -
Its about half as efficient as a model 3.
Which means twice as efficient as a small city car and about 10 times as efficient as a comparable truck.
Edited by RobDickinson on Monday 25th November 21:43
RobDickinson said:
As usual Tuna no idea what you are talking about...
USA average commute is 16 miles, Cybertruck is around 400wh/mi so 6.4kwh for that, or about an hours worth of a decent home solar system.
If you're going to sound off, perhaps you should get your numbers right. That's 16 miles each way. For the average 10kwh panel, that means by your maths, the Truck could consume about half of your average daily output. Still not a good look.USA average commute is 16 miles, Cybertruck is around 400wh/mi so 6.4kwh for that, or about an hours worth of a decent home solar system.
Tuna said:
RobDickinson said:
As usual Tuna no idea what you are talking about...
USA average commute is 16 miles, Cybertruck is around 400wh/mi so 6.4kwh for that, or about an hours worth of a decent home solar system.
If you're going to sound off, perhaps you should get your numbers right. That's 16 miles each way. For the average 10kwh panel, that means by your maths, the Truck could consume about half of your average daily output. Still not a good look.USA average commute is 16 miles, Cybertruck is around 400wh/mi so 6.4kwh for that, or about an hours worth of a decent home solar system.
RobDickinson said:
The redneck hardcore rolling coal f150 crowd wont buy it, but they are not the large part of the truck market.
Honestly go look at /r/cars thread or the one on /r/f150
Yes hots of hate but equally many orders and likes.
How many of the million buyers a year are floating buyers then? Why haven’t they already moved to another truck already?Honestly go look at /r/cars thread or the one on /r/f150
Yes hots of hate but equally many orders and likes.
RobDickinson said:
Tuna said:
RobDickinson said:
As usual Tuna no idea what you are talking about...
USA average commute is 16 miles, Cybertruck is around 400wh/mi so 6.4kwh for that, or about an hours worth of a decent home solar system.
If you're going to sound off, perhaps you should get your numbers right. That's 16 miles each way. For the average 10kwh panel, that means by your maths, the Truck could consume about half of your average daily output. Still not a good look.USA average commute is 16 miles, Cybertruck is around 400wh/mi so 6.4kwh for that, or about an hours worth of a decent home solar system.
Tuna said:
RobDickinson said:
Tuna said:
RobDickinson said:
As usual Tuna no idea what you are talking about...
USA average commute is 16 miles, Cybertruck is around 400wh/mi so 6.4kwh for that, or about an hours worth of a decent home solar system.
If you're going to sound off, perhaps you should get your numbers right. That's 16 miles each way. For the average 10kwh panel, that means by your maths, the Truck could consume about half of your average daily output. Still not a good look.USA average commute is 16 miles, Cybertruck is around 400wh/mi so 6.4kwh for that, or about an hours worth of a decent home solar system.
A 10kw solar array can generate up to 10kw of electricity, do that for 1 hour its 10kwh.
Usually they generate for 8-10 hours a day - so 80-100kwh or so.....
Coincidentally, Mark Reuss, President of General Motors, offers commentary today on the adoption of battery-electric vehicles.
Below is but a selection of statements from the article, which contains a range of fact and opinion -- from the obvious to the more nuanced or varied. My assumption is that he has written, here, with the US foremost in mind. But not entirely.
. . . "Most consumers surveyed during our clinics said they want at least 300 miles of range."
. . . "Nearly 80% of electric vehicle owners charge their vehicles at home, and almost 15% at work, with the rest at public stations"
. . . "We think electric vehicle propulsion systems will achieve cost parity with internal combustion engines within a decade, probably sooner"
. . . "Most EV owners report that their average cost of operation is about one-third of what a gasoline-powered car owner pays."
article here
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/25/perspectives/gm-ele...
ReaperCushions said:
Eh? Its huge.
Also, the 'farmers requirements' is about as realistic these days as the same argument for the new LR Defender. 'Oh I want to be able to carry a sheep back down the mountain and hose out the interior'... About 1 in 1000 defenders get used for that, much like pickups in the US.
I live and work in the US for a tech company. The most popular kinds of cars in the car parks are Tesla Model 3s and various types of new (Finance / leased) pick up trucks that have never seen a load in their bed ever. I'd say between those two, it accounts for over 40% of the parking lot at my work.
So I'm right. It is just another fancy SUV. I showed a picture of it to my brother who farms near the Cairngorms. He laughed. Also, the 'farmers requirements' is about as realistic these days as the same argument for the new LR Defender. 'Oh I want to be able to carry a sheep back down the mountain and hose out the interior'... About 1 in 1000 defenders get used for that, much like pickups in the US.
I live and work in the US for a tech company. The most popular kinds of cars in the car parks are Tesla Model 3s and various types of new (Finance / leased) pick up trucks that have never seen a load in their bed ever. I'd say between those two, it accounts for over 40% of the parking lot at my work.
Ill hand it to Tesla they keep plucking away with different inovations.
This is a great publicity stunt and I hope they dont go under as they keep entertaining.
I love EVs but wouldn't by actually buy a Tesla product . However if they ever make this thing it will sell. Credit to them.
This is a great publicity stunt and I hope they dont go under as they keep entertaining.
I love EVs but wouldn't by actually buy a Tesla product . However if they ever make this thing it will sell. Credit to them.
RobDickinson said:
Fallingup said:
So I'm right. It is just another fancy SUV. I showed a picture of it to my brother who farms near the Cairngorms. He laughed.
Thats stage 1 of ordering the cybertruck.RobDickinson said:
While coverage is good and getting better, just to put a bit of context to the picture. Rapid City to Sioux Falls is 400 miles! With 4 chargers on the interstate, that should be great to top-up and carry on your trip. BUT, if you live outside of the metro areas, it would (and does) suck if you have to drive 25 miles to just charge up!And thats the kicker. Typical charge rates that I can find for the Model 3 (fastest charging Tesla to date) shows around 30 miles per hour on a level 2 (240v charger at home). Which is pretty good, assuming perfect conditions. In ideal charging and driving conditions, its perfectly acceptable to do a 25-50 mile commute per day and charge up at home in the evening. But in rural areas those distances are larger, much larger. Its not uncommon for someone to drive 50 miles each way for a contracting job, especially in the more open states. Suddenly charging at home on an L2 looks marginal and factor in cold weather with depleted range and it starts to become a problem. Not forgetting that you dont get linear charging either - so you can 'fill up' faster at 30% or less, but as you get to 80% or more, it will be a trickle. So dont forget to fact in that 250-500 mile range is in reality smaller, unless you are prepared to wait.
We need WAY more chargers, and more accessible too.
off_again said:
RobDickinson said:
While coverage is good and getting better, just to put a bit of context to the picture. Rapid City to Sioux Falls is 400 miles! With 4 chargers on the interstate, that should be great to top-up and carry on your trip. BUT, if you live outside of the metro areas, it would (and does) suck if you have to drive 25 miles to just charge up!And thats the kicker. Typical charge rates that I can find for the Model 3 (fastest charging Tesla to date) shows around 30 miles per hour on a level 2 (240v charger at home). Which is pretty good, assuming perfect conditions. In ideal charging and driving conditions, its perfectly acceptable to do a 25-50 mile commute per day and charge up at home in the evening. But in rural areas those distances are larger, much larger. Its not uncommon for someone to drive 50 miles each way for a contracting job, especially in the more open states. Suddenly charging at home on an L2 looks marginal and factor in cold weather with depleted range and it starts to become a problem. Not forgetting that you dont get linear charging either - so you can 'fill up' faster at 30% or less, but as you get to 80% or more, it will be a trickle. So dont forget to fact in that 250-500 mile range is in reality smaller, unless you are prepared to wait.
We need WAY more chargers, and more accessible too.
Edit - theres a potential if you are only on single phase and stuck with 7kw charging and do 300+ miles every day it wont work. So yes dont buy one.
The Truck will come with at least 11kw charging more likely 22kw so 10 hours charging if your home can supply 3 phase.
Edited by RobDickinson on Monday 25th November 22:27
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