RE: Golf GTI TCR clocks 8:04 at the 'ring
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irish boy said:
Not bad. Identical to the 2013 Megane 265 trophy.
Edit sorry my memory failed me. It was 8.07.
The Megane R-26R lapped in 8 Min 7.97. I think the 265 Trophy was a bit quicker.Edit sorry my memory failed me. It was 8.07.
The Golf time actually highlights how good that Megane R26-R time was, given that it was so much down on power compared with modern hot hatches and obviously 10 years of tyre technology has moved things on. Wonder what it would do now on modern cup tyres?
Don Roque said:
Civic Type R still rules the roost then. It's funny how quickly the most recent Focus RS has faded into the background, it was never the top car even when new and now just about everything beats it at everything. Hopefully the next Focus RS will be fit to wear the RS badge.
Err, the RS won several group tests? There were plenty saying it was the best hot hatch around for a time. But times quickly change and hot hatch launches come thick and fast these days.I don't see how the RS has faded into the background quicker than anything else has. You're still talking about it after all.
LocoBlade said:
Didn't the Leon Cupra with the same power, the same underlying chassis platform and possibly the same tyres go sub 8 minutes several years ago?
I was thinking the same, it was the Leon Cupra Sub8. Essentially the same car underneath but the Leon had Brembo brakes, so I assume that was where the time was made up. Evo awarded it track car of the year in 2016, video here: https://youtu.be/bKC4Om9KcqcLocoBlade said:
Didn't the Leon Cupra with the same power, the same underlying chassis platform and possibly the same tyres go sub 8 minutes several years ago?
Yes, but:a) That was a manufacturer time rather than a magazine test. The former is usually quicker because of extensive testing, pro-driver pool, multiple days and set-ups, simulator work etc etc).
b) That was done on a Cupra 280 'Sub 8 Stage 3 pack'. So a standard Cupra with a specialist Sub-8 pack that came in 3 stages, this car had them all (bigger brakes, sticky tyres, weight stripped out etc). Like the latest Megane pretty much no cars are actually driving around on the road with this spec...
NGK210 said:
Sounds like he’s using the DSG in D not Manual mode. Why? Consequently, it’s reactive and is often in too high a gear when cornering. Which begs the question: if such a spec existed, would a manual TCR be quicker?
Pretty sure the Cupra Sub8 was manual and that lapped in 7min 58sec. It's the old cliche, but I would be much more interested in the TCR if they offered a manual version.
Don Roque said:
Civic Type R still rules the roost then. It's funny how quickly the most recent Focus RS has faded into the background, it was never the top car even when new and now just about everything beats it at everything. Hopefully the next Focus RS will be fit to wear the RS badge.
What makes you say it wasn't fit to wear the RS badge? Broke the mould in this segment, brought back the 4x4 RS, fun to drive, practical hatch based on standard car as per Sierra, Escort, etc.; a Fast Ford, endlessly tuneable, relatively affordable, big wing/diffuser/front bumper/bucket seats, appealing to thieving scum...
Not all RS were 3 door, had enough power out of the box or were instant classics...
sxmwht said:
"So the TCR is perhaps more competent than you thought, but the Clubsport S, by experience and by the numbers, indisputably remains the best fast Golf there is. By a margin."
If by best you mean fastest.
Exactly - everyone missing the point that the GTi heritage isn't about fastest around the 'Ring or anywhere else! Not about the most kit, most technology or best looks either. I think it fits the GTi brief perfectly as a daily hot hatch with that little bit extra without going all trump cards on it.If by best you mean fastest.
Chestrockwell said:
Sean207 said:
ah I might as well chuck in the Type R's 7:43 time...get all the 'no but it wasn't production, had sticky tyres' crew worked up...
Yes be careful, the mob will be after you.It was a pleasure owning the fastest FWD car in the world with rear seats, time to be sensible. I miss that car
Don Roque said:
Probably just because it's a bit of a damp squib and underwhelming compared to the competition.
Again, apart from the fact it won group tests and was regarded by many to be the best hot hatch at the time it came out.What makes it a "damp squib" and "underwhelming" out of interest? When it was launched in 2016, which cars in the segment massively outperformed it?
While it isn't the perfect car (what is?), no one can deny the iimpact it had when launched. The fact that it introduced something that felt like proper 4WD handling characteristics into the segment, rather than the front-biased Haldex efforts of other manufacturers, makes it an important milestone in itself, regardless of any of its negatives. After all, haven't Mercedes now taken a similar approach by adding their own "Drift Mode" to the (considerably more expensive) A45 AMG? And, as said above, it brought 4WD back to the RS range and is the fastest RS model to date.
What more do you want exactly?
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