A sportscar shouldn’t have...
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MikeyC said:
An expensive hi-fi system ?
You bought the car because it's a 'sports' car, to drive and experience it's handling/performance and, most importantly the sound of the engine
Just seems a waste of money plus extra weight.
Sure have a standard one, but more than that, I've never really seen the point ....
JMHO
Eugh. I get comments on the TVR section when I mention my system (when people ask for help). Underseat sub, amps, very good speakers.You bought the car because it's a 'sports' car, to drive and experience it's handling/performance and, most importantly the sound of the engine
Just seems a waste of money plus extra weight.
Sure have a standard one, but more than that, I've never really seen the point ....
JMHO
I drive it every day (Griff 500) spring to autumn as my main car and whilst the V8 sounds lovely, that novelty wears off fast sitting in traffic or doing long slogs. With the roof off you need some decent kit to feel and hear the music.
Miserablegit said:
kambites said:
Yeah I've never understood the aversion to drive aids which can be switched off and add no weight to the car or inherent interference to the controls.
OP here - I think these driver aids are bad because they add weight because they need cameras and other sensors - not just a software option. I take the view that anyone who needs lane departure warning shouldn’t be driving. TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Does traction control or ABS require a camera? Do the sensors add much weight for ABS? If so, is that weight even remotely noticeable, especially when you consider the benefits it can give.
Suggest you read the original quote that referred to lane departure and auto wipers not ABSTyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Does traction control or ABS require a camera? Do the sensors add much weight for ABS? If so, is that weight even remotely noticeable, especially when you consider the benefits it can give.
Abs gubbins is also unsprung weight. Boooooo. I’m going to throw in pop up headlights - add weight.
A sports car should really be a convertible, whether hard or soft it doesn't matter, should only have two seats and two doors. Cup holders are fine, as is traction control and Abs. It should have a manual gearbox, but an auto that can be used or overridden manually. It should be able to wear a luggage rack on it's boot lid, but by no means must. It cannot be FWD. Anything with a fixed roof and/or back seats is not a sports car.
An MGB is a sports car
An MX5 is a sports car
An MR2 Roadster is a sports car
An X/19 is a sports car
An SLK is a sports car
Any Spider/Spyder is a sports car (unless it's FWD)
A TVR Chimeara/Griffith is not a sports car but a Grand Tourer.
A DeTomaso Pantera is not a sports car
A Lancia Stratos is not a sports car
A blower Bentley is not a sports car
An MGB is a sports car
An MX5 is a sports car
An MR2 Roadster is a sports car
An X/19 is a sports car
An SLK is a sports car
Any Spider/Spyder is a sports car (unless it's FWD)
A TVR Chimeara/Griffith is not a sports car but a Grand Tourer.
A DeTomaso Pantera is not a sports car
A Lancia Stratos is not a sports car
A blower Bentley is not a sports car
Would I be right in the assertion that people buy a sports car for the enjoyment of driving it?
So you can start with something like, say, an Elise and revel in its responses and agility on deserted country roads. And you can use it for more ordinary purposes too, when rather than enjoying it you have to be seen to be earnestly appreciating it. A bit like being at a Beirut gig.
Then someone comes up with the idea of making something with a broader range of appeal. Maybe not pretending so much to be a race-car-that-you-never-take-on-a-race-track-in-case-someone-scratches-it, but something that's still fun to drive but your passenger enjoys the ride too, that you can take to the shops because it has somewhere for shopping, that you can spec with heated seats and an awesome sound system to make your winter commute as enjoyable as that B-road blast.
And then you look at the breadth of appeal and commercial success of Porsche and compare it with that of Lotus, for example.
So you can start with something like, say, an Elise and revel in its responses and agility on deserted country roads. And you can use it for more ordinary purposes too, when rather than enjoying it you have to be seen to be earnestly appreciating it. A bit like being at a Beirut gig.
Then someone comes up with the idea of making something with a broader range of appeal. Maybe not pretending so much to be a race-car-that-you-never-take-on-a-race-track-in-case-someone-scratches-it, but something that's still fun to drive but your passenger enjoys the ride too, that you can take to the shops because it has somewhere for shopping, that you can spec with heated seats and an awesome sound system to make your winter commute as enjoyable as that B-road blast.
And then you look at the breadth of appeal and commercial success of Porsche and compare it with that of Lotus, for example.
Miserablegit said:
kambites said:
Yeah I've never understood the aversion to drive aids which can be switched off and add no weight to the car or inherent interference to the controls.
OP here - I think these driver aids are bad because they add weight because they need cameras and other sensors - not just a software option. I take the view that anyone who needs lane departure warning shouldn’t be driving. I had to replace the wheel speed sensor on my car years ago (it only has one, used for the speedometer), it can't have weighed more than 20 grams. I'm all for saving weight, but things like that are pretty insignificant.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 28th November 19:11
Wooda80 said:
Would I be right in the assertion that people buy a sports car for the enjoyment of driving it?
So you can start with something like, say, an Elise and revel in its responses and agility on deserted country roads. And you can use it for more ordinary purposes too, when rather than enjoying it you have to be seen to be earnestly appreciating it. A bit like being at a Beirut gig.
Then someone comes up with the idea of making something with a broader range of appeal. Maybe not pretending so much to be a race-car-that-you-never-take-on-a-race-track-in-case-someone-scratches-it, but something that's still fun to drive but your passenger enjoys the ride too, that you can take to the shops because it has somewhere for shopping, that you can spec with heated seats and an awesome sound system to make your winter commute as enjoyable as that B-road blast.
And then you look at the breadth of appeal and commercial success of Porsche and compare it with that of Lotus, for example.
The key word being "commercial". Let's not get into a Porsche vs Lotus chat though as you can cut and paste from lots of threads.So you can start with something like, say, an Elise and revel in its responses and agility on deserted country roads. And you can use it for more ordinary purposes too, when rather than enjoying it you have to be seen to be earnestly appreciating it. A bit like being at a Beirut gig.
Then someone comes up with the idea of making something with a broader range of appeal. Maybe not pretending so much to be a race-car-that-you-never-take-on-a-race-track-in-case-someone-scratches-it, but something that's still fun to drive but your passenger enjoys the ride too, that you can take to the shops because it has somewhere for shopping, that you can spec with heated seats and an awesome sound system to make your winter commute as enjoyable as that B-road blast.
And then you look at the breadth of appeal and commercial success of Porsche and compare it with that of Lotus, for example.
The commercial success follows on from the breadth of appeal.
Is an Elise a better sports car than a Boxster or vice versa? That's entirely your own individual preference.
Are they both sports cars? Of course they are.
I don't understand your reference to cutting and pasting other threads. I only post my own thoughts and opinions. Do you mean to say that some people don't?
Is an Elise a better sports car than a Boxster or vice versa? That's entirely your own individual preference.
Are they both sports cars? Of course they are.
I don't understand your reference to cutting and pasting other threads. I only post my own thoughts and opinions. Do you mean to say that some people don't?
Miserablegit said:
OP here - I think these driver aids are bad because they add weight because they need cameras and other sensors - not just a software option. I take the view that anyone who needs lane departure warning shouldn’t be driving.
If you're too reliant on driver aids your not a competent enough driver, parallel parking, lane departure, auto everything is mostly superficial stuff and a true sports car is all about driver engagement with the car itself, not with ancillary equipment that takes away from the whole experience.F1 cars back before regulations killed the sport were all about the skills in controlling a wild beast that was a v12, a thousand of a second out of timing doing a bend could have been fatal, now it's as exciting as boiling an egg. I last was watching when Eddie Irvine was involved and even then it was getting a bit tame..
kambites said:
I don't think many people would class an F1 car as a "sport car".
Racing cars and sports cars have fundamentally different remits - for me at least, a sports car's primary purpose is to be fun whereas a racing cars primary purpose is to be fast (within whatever rules it competes under).
This is how I see the distinction tooRacing cars and sports cars have fundamentally different remits - for me at least, a sports car's primary purpose is to be fun whereas a racing cars primary purpose is to be fast (within whatever rules it competes under).
I think this hinges on how you define a sports car.
I'd say a sports car is a car designed to emphasise the thrill of driving. But that doesn't stop a sports car having a few creator comforts.
Otherwise the only sports cars available would be stripped out track ready caterhams which would be a pain to drive anywhere but round Cadwell Park.
I'd say a sports car is a car designed to emphasise the thrill of driving. But that doesn't stop a sports car having a few creator comforts.
Otherwise the only sports cars available would be stripped out track ready caterhams which would be a pain to drive anywhere but round Cadwell Park.
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