RE: 2020 Jaguar F-Type revealed!

[Patrick Bateman]

LuS1fer said:

I can't fathom why Jag have sucked the character out of the face and replaced it wit the generic Jag family face, ending up with a cross between an Audi and a Mustang.

I agree with this.

Still looks nice but the old one looks better and far more distinctive from the front.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

Patrick Bateman said:

LuS1fer said:

I can't fathom why Jag have sucked the character out of the face and replaced it wit the generic Jag family face, ending up with a cross between an Audi and a Mustang.

I agree with this.

Still looks nice but the old one looks better and far more distinctive from the front.

Agreed

[Mark_Blanchard]

It looks stunning to my eyes. Much nicer than the previous version.

[A1VDY]

Absolutely no comparison to a porsche, the German car is leagues ahead. The jag still retains its old man with pipe image.

[fatboy b]

Chestrockwell said:

No mention of the 450 bhp engine, is it a detuned version of the 5.0C?

There is also mention of a 97k 3.7 0-60 model with no mention of the power output.

The article has confused me, there’s 2 mentions of 0-60 times, 4.6 (AWD & RWD) and a 3.7 0-60 model yet there’s only 2 power output mentions, 300 bhp and 450 bhp. Is the 450 bhp the R model?

Also, I can’t believe the previous SVR cost that much! Surely you’d rather buy a R8 with that which is (ahem) an all out super car?!

Have a look on the Jag website. Everything’s there.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Just out of question why do you call the 991 a 9x1, a 997 and 9x7 and a 996 a 9x6, yet a 992 a 992? And why call them 9x7, for example, in the first place, and not a 997?

[Patrick Bateman]

A1VDY said:

Absolutely no comparison to a porsche, the German car is leagues ahead. The jag still retains its old man with pipe image.

I really don't see how you can come to this conclusion with any Jaguar now, let alone this one.

[unsprung]

Niffty951 said:

I'd much rather buy a British sports car and if brand meant a lot to me I'd choose a Jaguar over a Porsche every day of the week. I love Jag's ingenuity and cadish, rule bending charm but every time you step out of your (insert anything) and drive a 911 you just realise again how much better an experience the 911 is.

The cabin quality, seat comfort and sound insulation make the 911 feel as comfortable as an XKR or big saloon over a long drive but if you up the pace and give it hell it just completely changes character. There's no car that comes to mind that I'd prefer to be in to drive big miles at speed. The body control, the power of the brakes and the response/torque delivery of the engine are second to none. The car feels small and agile on the road, it does exactly what you ask of it and before long it feels like an extension of your body. You wear it like a suit.

I've preferred many aspects of many cars I've owned and driven. Porsche are often beaten on cabin quality, engine sound, driver space and even handling but as a complete package no other car I've driven puts all those elements together better.

An accurate analysis and delightfully well written.

I will add that the result is much the same when assessing a 911 alongside a comparable Corvette -- with the exception that Corvette may never again see the dealership (essentially zero maintenance) and, in its domestic market, is remarkably affordable in price.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Now that I never knew

[Terminator X]

herebebeasties said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2020-j...

Has completely different information than a lot of this article. PH claim the i6 is coming later, whereas Autocar have a direct quote from Alan Volkaerts asking him "Why didn’t you use the new Ingenium straight six?":

“It’s a simple question of packaging. With demand for the four-cylinder so strong, we simply couldn’t justify the significant investment needed.”

Demand for a 4 cylinder? Sources anyone?

TX.

[Terminator X]

Mackofthejungle said:

I worry for Jaguar...

The pre-facelift car looks better, has better engines, is cheaper.... I dunno. It's not that good looking, it never was. It was a handsome but plain car, and now it's an old handsome but plain car. Does anyone want a V8 anymore? Is it not all a bit 1998? You could get a nice noise and 15mpg twenty years ago, but these days that noise will be accompanied by a chorus of "wker"...

WTF

TX.

[MellowshipSlinky]

Patrick Bateman said:

A1VDY said:

Absolutely no comparison to a porsche, the German car is leagues ahead. The jag still retains its old man with pipe image.

I really don't see how you can come to this conclusion with any Jaguar now, let alone this one.

To many people, Porsche still retains its red braces Gordon Gecko image.

[JonnyVTEC]

JxJ Jr. said:

Has profit been close to projections though? Cutting such a large amount off the top-end price is going to reduce average selling price, suggesting actual profits will be lower than projected. Add to that, was the 4-cyl car originally planned, as it seemed to come out very late?

It was not later than the actual engine.

[Mr Tidy]

I've always thought the F-Type looked great, and like this one too.

I just hope they do put the Ingenium Straight 6 in it, and hopefully offer it with a manual gearbox then there is a replacement for the V6. After all Aston Martin are making manual V12s, so there must be some demand.

And hopefully one day I might be able to afford one!

Edited by Mr Tidy on Wednesday 4th December 00:05

[MrML]

450 V8 RWD one of these or M2 CS? Seems like decent value at £69k

[D4rez]

It seems PH just can’t get behind British cars, I’m as suspicious as the next about patriotism but:

- there’s a V8, it’s supercharged and it’s under £70k. If that’s old school then consider this. It will meet all EU6D emissions regs and real world manage ~high 20s. End of. And unlike a turbo’d 6 (M4, 911 etc) it doesn’t have a compressor wheel smack in the free stream of the bit that makes good sounds. The competitors have to use the speakers in the audio system to make up for this which is just a bit st.
- Yes the infotainment is a bit behind but I’ve spent a decent amount of time with a 992 and it’s still a bit slow and a bit crap compared to Apple’s best. The important bit is CarPlay - this car has that and Android Auto so where’s the problem?? The rest of it I’m sure does radio and heating very well, Spotify, google maps etc is all part of the package with the Apple CarPlay.
- Bear in mind that the kerbweight includes standard kit, the level is higher than the Cayman and 911 so this comes into the difference. Doesn’t explain all of it mind.
- As a daily driver this is £30k cheaper than a Porsche and for me it just feels more special due to the V8, design, the sound and the cabin materials, new 911 has soooo much plastic. I think this is quite a sensible facelift actually

[JxJ Jr.]

JonnyVTEC said:

JxJ Jr. said:

Has profit been close to projections though? Cutting such a large amount off the top-end price is going to reduce average selling price, suggesting actual profits will be lower than projected. Add to that, was the 4-cyl car originally planned, as it seemed to come out very late?

It was not later than the actual engine.

But was it initially planned to have a 4 cylinder in the line-up or did that come about later? 4-5 years into the cars lifecycle is quite late to be introducing a new engine and broadening the range.

[Oilchange]

D4rez said:

It seems PH just can’t get behind British cars, I’m as suspicious as the next about patriotism but:

- there’s a V8, it’s supercharged and it’s under £70k. If that’s old school then consider this. It will meet all EU6D emissions regs and real world manage ~high 20s. End of. And unlike a turbo’d 6 (M4, 911 etc) it doesn’t have a compressor wheel smack in the free stream of the bit that makes good sounds. The competitors have to use the speakers in the audio system to make up for this which is just a bit st.
- Yes the infotainment is a bit behind but I’ve spent a decent amount of time with a 992 and it’s still a bit slow and a bit crap compared to Apple’s best. The important bit is CarPlay - this car has that and Android Auto so where’s the problem?? The rest of it I’m sure does radio and heating very well, Spotify, google maps etc is all part of the package with the Apple CarPlay.
- Bear in mind that the kerbweight includes standard kit, the level is higher than the Cayman and 911 so this comes into the difference. Doesn’t explain all of it mind.
- As a daily driver this is £30k cheaper than a Porsche and for me it just feels more special due to the V8, design, the sound and the cabin materials, new 911 has soooo much plastic. I think this is quite a sensible facelift actually

An accurate analysis and delightfully well written.

And £30k of anyone’s money is a big saving

Edited by Oilchange on Wednesday 4th December 06:05

[anonymous-user]

SidewaysSi said:

What a mess. Do Jag actually produce anything decent these days? All a bit old and crap. Maybe the IPace but that's hardly interesting.

You really do come out with a load of old bks.
I know you find it hard to take but not everyone is a BMW fan boy.

[Niffty951]

Oilchange said:

D4rez said:

It seems PH just can’t get behind British cars, I’m as suspicious as the next about patriotism but:

- there’s a V8, it’s supercharged and it’s under £70k. If that’s old school then consider this. It will meet all EU6D emissions regs and real world manage ~high 20s. End of. And unlike a turbo’d 6 (M4, 911 etc) it doesn’t have a compressor wheel smack in the free stream of the bit that makes good sounds. The competitors have to use the speakers in the audio system to make up for this which is just a bit st.
- Yes the infotainment is a bit behind but I’ve spent a decent amount of time with a 992 and it’s still a bit slow and a bit crap compared to Apple’s best. The important bit is CarPlay - this car has that and Android Auto so where’s the problem?? The rest of it I’m sure does radio and heating very well, Spotify, google maps etc is all part of the package with the Apple CarPlay.
- Bear in mind that the kerbweight includes standard kit, the level is higher than the Cayman and 911 so this comes into the difference. Doesn’t explain all of it mind.
- As a daily driver this is £30k cheaper than a Porsche and for me it just feels more special due to the V8, design, the sound and the cabin materials, new 911 has soooo much plastic. I think this is quite a sensible facelift actually

An accurate analysis and delightfully well written.

And £30k of anyone’s money is a big saving

That was a good read and 30k isn't to be sniffed at. Jag's 4.2 and 5.0 v8's have all been shockingly good on real world fuel economy. I'm pleased to hear this follows the line.

I think perhaps for me there's just a little confusion on the message. As a sports car the F-type just isn't at the sharp edge. As a GT car it's a bit cramped on the inside.

I do appreciate the F-type, I want them to produce more sexy and exciting cars but when it comes to putting money where my heart is the F-type just doesn't quite fit it's stated purpose. It's not a car I can fall in love with as a driving tool nor is it top of the list for dreaming of a long cruise down to the Italian lakes in GT style luxury.

For a long time anything Aston could do, Jag could do better for half the price. I'm just not sure where to place this one. If you pick the 911 as a rival then I place it as a disappointment. I'm sorry.

Edited by Niffty951 on Wednesday 4th December 08:27