RE: 2020 Jaguar F-Type revealed!
Discussion
flukey5 said:
Meanwhile you're left with a heavy V8 or a gutless 2L turbo.
by this I assume you are mourning the loss of the 'lighter' V6?The V6 is a V8 with 2 cylinders blanked off, so it weighs near enough the same and because it is the rearmost pair of cylinders that are blanked, it means what weight there is, is centred further forward.
Also many are bemoaning the demise of the V6, but it's being replaced by a new I6, which is a good thing surely? Jaguar were built around I6 engines in the good old days.
Loss of manual transmission is a shame though,
old car looked great
old car still looks great
new car looks great
new car will still look great
4 pot, i6 and v8 available - great
no manual - who cares because they didn't sell enough. I am sure the majority of people moaning about a manual never bought the manual so its your own fault. If demand was there they would do it.
Great work jag.
old car still looks great
new car looks great
new car will still look great
4 pot, i6 and v8 available - great
no manual - who cares because they didn't sell enough. I am sure the majority of people moaning about a manual never bought the manual so its your own fault. If demand was there they would do it.
Great work jag.
It's a shame the V6 is dropped, as always preferred the V6 to the V8.
Regarding the lack of sale for the manual. Jaguar had odd configurations for the manual. I wanted a V6S with AWD and a manual. Can't have it. Only with RWD.
I like the new front end, and still think the interior is a nice place to sit. But Jaguar are always behind the competition for infotainment systems, which is a shame.
As no mentions of weight saving is mentioned in the article, I assume it still weighs the same as a block of Granite?
The biggest problem for Jaguar (in my experience) is it's dealers. Refused me a test drive of a V6S, making some lame excuse the roads were a bit busy !!!
Maybe they thought I was too young for a Jaguar (40) and my then current car (Audi R8) made me look like a tyre kicker and lacking the funds to afford one? Whatever it was, they lost a potential sale then, and any potential future sales. Never been back.
Regarding the lack of sale for the manual. Jaguar had odd configurations for the manual. I wanted a V6S with AWD and a manual. Can't have it. Only with RWD.
I like the new front end, and still think the interior is a nice place to sit. But Jaguar are always behind the competition for infotainment systems, which is a shame.
As no mentions of weight saving is mentioned in the article, I assume it still weighs the same as a block of Granite?
The biggest problem for Jaguar (in my experience) is it's dealers. Refused me a test drive of a V6S, making some lame excuse the roads were a bit busy !!!
Maybe they thought I was too young for a Jaguar (40) and my then current car (Audi R8) made me look like a tyre kicker and lacking the funds to afford one? Whatever it was, they lost a potential sale then, and any potential future sales. Never been back.
Looks good, different to the previous which also looked great, but this will be a grower im sure.
450hp V8 in RWD sounds like the sweet spot to me!
With regards to the weight, just for reference of other v8 coupes (all as "Kerb" ie with 75kg driver, 90% fuel, fluids etc):
Aston Vantage: 1650kg
AMG GT: 1700kg
F-Type: 1735kg
Ferrari Roma: 1570kg
So yes, its the heaviest, but also the cheapest by a long way (~£30 grand!) which prevents the use of exotic materials, and frankly these days its pretty easy to disguise the weight of a road car so shouldnt be a problem for 90% of customers unless theyre doing track days, and its probably too loud for them anyway!
450hp V8 in RWD sounds like the sweet spot to me!
With regards to the weight, just for reference of other v8 coupes (all as "Kerb" ie with 75kg driver, 90% fuel, fluids etc):
Aston Vantage: 1650kg
AMG GT: 1700kg
F-Type: 1735kg
Ferrari Roma: 1570kg
So yes, its the heaviest, but also the cheapest by a long way (~£30 grand!) which prevents the use of exotic materials, and frankly these days its pretty easy to disguise the weight of a road car so shouldnt be a problem for 90% of customers unless theyre doing track days, and its probably too loud for them anyway!
Edited by Harry_523 on Tuesday 3rd December 10:10
A V8 is replacing a V6. We haven't heard news like this in 15 years. Rejoice, for it may be the last time.
Question is, what configuration does this V8 find itself in? The 5.0 n/a had 385 hp, but even the most basic 5.0 s/c had 510 hp. So this is either a throttled s/c (boo), or a heavily breathed upon n/a (yay). Would be sad if it's lower power is merely by virtue of having a flat top end...
ETA
It is supercharged, but maxes out at 6000rpm, which is still better than the blown four. Must just have a tiny supercharger...
Question is, what configuration does this V8 find itself in? The 5.0 n/a had 385 hp, but even the most basic 5.0 s/c had 510 hp. So this is either a throttled s/c (boo), or a heavily breathed upon n/a (yay). Would be sad if it's lower power is merely by virtue of having a flat top end...
ETA
It is supercharged, but maxes out at 6000rpm, which is still better than the blown four. Must just have a tiny supercharger...
Edited by SweptVolume on Tuesday 3rd December 10:15
Chamon_Lee said:
old car looked great
old car still looks great
new car looks great
new car will still look great
4 pot, i6 and v8 available - great
no manual - who cares because they didn't sell enough. I am sure the majority of people moaning about a manual never bought the manual so its your own fault. If demand was there they would do it.
Great work jag.
Totally agree, impressive that they've changed the front so much and made an equally attractive car.old car still looks great
new car looks great
new car will still look great
4 pot, i6 and v8 available - great
no manual - who cares because they didn't sell enough. I am sure the majority of people moaning about a manual never bought the manual so its your own fault. If demand was there they would do it.
Great work jag.
I worry for Jaguar...
The pre-facelift car looks better, has better engines, is cheaper.... I dunno. It's not that good looking, it never was. It was a handsome but plain car, and now it's an old handsome but plain car. Does anyone want a V8 anymore? Is it not all a bit 1998? You could get a nice noise and 15mpg twenty years ago, but these days that noise will be accompanied by a chorus of "w
ker"...
The pre-facelift car looks better, has better engines, is cheaper.... I dunno. It's not that good looking, it never was. It was a handsome but plain car, and now it's an old handsome but plain car. Does anyone want a V8 anymore? Is it not all a bit 1998? You could get a nice noise and 15mpg twenty years ago, but these days that noise will be accompanied by a chorus of "w
ker"...Nice enough update. But come on. This car is already 7 years old and wasn't brilliant at launch. Far too heavy for a supposedly 2 seater sportscar and now they've ditched the 375bhp 6 pot engine in favour of a 300bhp 4 pot engine. The sooner they replace this model with an electric version with over 500 hp the better..
Thenedski said:
Nice enough update. But come on. This car is already 7 years old and wasn't brilliant at launch. Far too heavy for a supposedly 2 seater sportscar and now they've ditched the 375bhp 6 pot engine in favour of a 300bhp 4 pot engine. The sooner they replace this model with an electric version with over 500 hp the better..
Erm, you realise that that statement is entirely not true, right? The 300bhp 4 pot has been around for ages (see the celebrity laps on The Grand Tour), they have ditched the 375bhp 6 pot for a 450bhp V8 by the looks of it.The carfection vid was pretty cringe worthy but it seems Jaguar are blissfully ignorant of what's going on around them. Don't get me wrong, it's a good looking car (My thoughts echo others here and say it's fixed something that really wasn't broken... looks wise). The interior was in desperate need of an update and it's an improvement as long as you ignore the other players and at this price point no one does that.
So Elephants in the room (literally)
Why so heavy? 450bhp and you're doing 4.4 to 60? Base spec 5.4 to 60? A PDK Cayman S will match the V8 And that's not the competition that's the 992 in base spec which will handily out perform it with a more modern interior etc.
Considering this is a mild refresh, the pricing seems too strong considering the competition. Also why not turn up the wick on the 4 pot and create the middle model? It will have saved on costs and probably sold well enough. The V8 model confuses me, surely they can turbo charge the V8 and offer 2 different states of tune if they wanted to go that way?
Maybe it's for the American market?
So Elephants in the room (literally)
Why so heavy? 450bhp and you're doing 4.4 to 60? Base spec 5.4 to 60? A PDK Cayman S will match the V8 And that's not the competition that's the 992 in base spec which will handily out perform it with a more modern interior etc.
Considering this is a mild refresh, the pricing seems too strong considering the competition. Also why not turn up the wick on the 4 pot and create the middle model? It will have saved on costs and probably sold well enough. The V8 model confuses me, surely they can turbo charge the V8 and offer 2 different states of tune if they wanted to go that way?
Maybe it's for the American market?
Thenedski said:
Nice enough update. But come on. This car is already 7 years old and wasn't brilliant at launch. Far too heavy for a supposedly 2 seater sportscar and now they've ditched the 375bhp 6 pot engine in favour of a 300bhp 4 pot engine. The sooner they replace this model with an electric version with over 500 hp the better..
I guess the 300bhp car appeals to those who want to be seen in one, but don't drive fast or care how fast / slow it is.Quickmoose said:
LuS1fer said:
I can't fathom why Jag have sucked the character out of the face and replaced it wit the generic Jag family face, ending up with a cross between an Audi and a Mustang.
The old one looks so much better and distinctive. Really wouldn't look twice at this one.
100%The old one looks so much better and distinctive. Really wouldn't look twice at this one.
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