RE: Volvo S60 Polestar Engineered | Driven

RE: Volvo S60 Polestar Engineered | Driven

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RicksAlfas

13,412 posts

245 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Baldchap said:
janesmith1950 said:
If you don't plug it in, do you still get all of the performance all of the time?
Nope.

You have a ~300bhp 2 ton barge.

Same on a long run once the batteries are flat.
If it's like other plug in hybrids, the system doesn't allow the battery to go completely flat so you always have some electric assistance available. You are constantly replenishing the battery too - every time you lift off the throttle or brake.

Sport220

648 posts

76 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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BigGingerBob said:
330e also 2.2 tonnes according to TG anyway
That would be the gross weight

Baldchap

7,700 posts

93 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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RicksAlfas said:
Baldchap said:
janesmith1950 said:
If you don't plug it in, do you still get all of the performance all of the time?
Nope.

You have a ~300bhp 2 ton barge.

Same on a long run once the batteries are flat.
If it's like other plug in hybrids, the system doesn't allow the battery to go completely flat so you always have some electric assistance available. You are constantly replenishing the battery too - every time you lift off the throttle or brake.
If you think about the science of what you just said for a moment, you'll realise why all hybrids can and do stop offering battery assistance in some situations. It's the same reason EV batteries need recharging.

It's also why the 330e does terrible mpg after the first tank of petrol on a family holiday. Trust me on that one. wink

cerb4.5lee

30,824 posts

181 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Andy20vt said:
Love the way it looks from the front and 3/4 but that rear lets it down.
Agree and I like the front but the rear looks dreadful to my eyes.

2 tonnes...I love this new electric revolution...better for emissions but miles worse on brakes and tyres! hehe

ChevyChase77

1,079 posts

59 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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The side profile reminds me of a Chrysler Neon.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

35,118 posts

213 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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cerb4.5lee said:
Andy20vt said:
Love the way it looks from the front and 3/4 but that rear lets it down.
Agree and I like the front but the rear looks dreadful to my eyes.

2 tonnes...I love this new electric revolution...better for emissions but miles worse on brakes and tyres! hehe
laugh

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Baldchap said:
RicksAlfas said:
Baldchap said:
janesmith1950 said:
If you don't plug it in, do you still get all of the performance all of the time?
Nope.

You have a ~300bhp 2 ton barge.

Same on a long run once the batteries are flat.
If it's like other plug in hybrids, the system doesn't allow the battery to go completely flat so you always have some electric assistance available. You are constantly replenishing the battery too - every time you lift off the throttle or brake.
If you think about the science of what you just said for a moment, you'll realise why all hybrids can and do stop offering battery assistance in some situations. It's the same reason EV batteries need recharging.

It's also why the 330e does terrible mpg after the first tank of petrol on a family holiday. Trust me on that one. wink
Sound pants. When you pull out to overtake you want to know whether you've got 300 or 400bhp. If you're not going to get the full beans all the time, WTFP?

Might as well get a normal petrol and chuck a couple of anvils in the boot.

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

84 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Volvo really deserve some credit for their lineup, they make some of the best looking cars about these days. 2 tonnes though? Christ

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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janesmith1950 said:
Sound pants. When you pull out to overtake you want to know whether you've got 300 or 400bhp. If you're not going to get the full beans all the time, WTFP?

Might as well get a normal petrol and chuck a couple of anvils in the boot.
Why? Would 300 be comically insufficient? If it is, and no overtaking manoeuvre be undertaken with full confidence, would 400 be enough? Maybe 700 or 900 bhp is what’s required to overtake, confident in the knowledge you’ll safely get past.

Pintofbest

805 posts

111 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Simonium said:
Why? Would 300 be comically insufficient? If it is, and no overtaking manoeuvre be undertaken with full confidence, would 400 be enough? Maybe 700 or 900 bhp is what’s required to overtake, confident in the knowledge you’ll safely get past.
I've got a 530e and the hybrid system warns you when the battery is completely flat (reduced power warning) but it only ever lasts a few seconds and has happened to me maybe 5 times in 25,000 miles. The car keeps c10% always available and if this goes lower it tells you.

cerb4.5lee said:
2 tonnes...I love this new electric revolution...better for emissions but miles worse on brakes and tyres! hehe
It will have regen braking like mine, hardly any brake dust which is bonus and the brake pads will last a lot longer. Tyres seem fine too - 25k rears, front still at 3mm so the fact it has the equivalent of two fat men in batteries doesn't seem to matter much.

cerb4.5lee

30,824 posts

181 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Pintofbest said:
cerb4.5lee said:
2 tonnes...I love this new electric revolution...better for emissions but miles worse on brakes and tyres! hehe
It will have regen braking like mine, hardly any brake dust which is bonus and the brake pads will last a lot longer. Tyres seem fine too - 25k rears, front still at 3mm so the fact it has the equivalent of two fat men in batteries doesn't seem to matter much.
I certainly don't miss how quickly Bmw's chew through tyres in fairness. Have a Mercedes(4wd though) currently and I am shocked at how long the tyres last. Fronts were swapped at 50k miles and the rears are still going and legal at 63k miles!

Good that it isn't bad for brake dust though for sure and that does annoy me.

Pintofbest

805 posts

111 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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cerb4.5lee said:
I certainly don't miss how quickly Bmw's chew through tyres in fairness. Have a Mercedes(4wd though) currently and I am shocked at how long the tyres last. Fronts were swapped at 50k miles and the rears are still going and legal at 63k miles!
I was happy with the tyres till I read that laugh

Good job it's a company car!

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Simonium said:
Why? Would 300 be comically insufficient? If it is, and no overtaking manoeuvre be undertaken with full confidence, would 400 be enough? Maybe 700 or 900 bhp is what’s required to overtake, confident in the knowledge you’ll safely get past.
That isn't what I said. I didn't say I needed any specific amount of power to overtake.

What I said was that to overtake and find yourself 25% down on optimum power means the performance will not be what you might expect.

I've been happy with 67bhp and happy with 450bhp over the past 5 years. Seeming there was always 67 or 450 horsepower, I knew what I'd be getting.

Not to mention, where's the joy in a car where the full performance is only available when you've been bothered to plug it in? Appreciate that it can self-fill pockets with its hybrid activity, but how well will that last on a flowing A road or fast European motorway run?

Love the idea of full EV, love ICE cars. Think hybrids are pants!

And £130k for a tarted up 2.2 tonne V70 with 3 doors is the biggest joke I've seen since Diane Abbott's son!

cerb4.5lee

30,824 posts

181 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Pintofbest said:
I was happy with the tyres till I read that laugh

Good job it's a company car!
I was never expecting that much life from them for sure! smile

Nice one regards it being a company car then. thumbup

aarondbs

845 posts

147 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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I have had a V90 T8 now for a few weeks. It’s a fantastic car. Great looking, supremely comfortable and pretty nippy. Doesn’t feel as fast as my wife’s Golf R but supposedly similar 0-60 times. On the question of whether you have 300 or 400 hp, we’ll, by looking at the gauges in front of you there is a battery gauge. When it goes low, press a button in the simple menu based system and get the engine to charge the battery to your desired level. Or press another and save the battery power at this level until you want it. It’s very simple and very intuitive..... but really not very economical.

Edited by aarondbs on Wednesday 4th December 18:49

ZX10R NIN

27,654 posts

126 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Sounds like a good compromise for those that don't want an EV.

Onehp

1,617 posts

284 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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beerexpressman said:
I think I'd choose the V6 Kia stinger over this...

Save £16k + and a couple of hundred kg's
Sorry to disappoint, but is Stinger is quite a lot more cramped, and isn't exactly lightweight either around the 1900kg mark kerb irl, a similarly powered S60 T6 is actually lighter then.

Onehp

1,617 posts

284 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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I drove a rental D3 and was very pleasantly suprised how well sorted the suspension and dynamics were, all in great comfort. Not a sportscar but very enjoyable to drive by this very good compromise. And quite unexpected from my previous Volvo experiences....


just passing by

46 posts

78 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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is this really the best that Polestar can do? Elon Musk will feel intensely relieved.

R400TVR

544 posts

163 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Is the fact that the digitalisation of the display isn't as good as others really a minus? Do we need anything more than a smart, legible, and easy to see at-a-glance, set?