RE: Someone has done the Cannonball in 27hrs 25mins
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Niffty951 said:
I love this. I lived on the Gumball and Cannonball run films growing up.
This is a little piece of the past making it through to reality gives me hope. We're not all dead. Risking it all to keep the human spirit alive.
I lived on the films too. That Countach is burned in my memory.This is a little piece of the past making it through to reality gives me hope. We're not all dead. Risking it all to keep the human spirit alive.
However, risking it all is great as long as you're only risking yourself and/or other willing participants.
Like a racing driver, or a land-speed record.
But I can understand the argument that getting up to 193mph on a public road and averaging 103mph in a 28 hour run is risking others aswell.
Where does this stop? At what point do we say "that's too fast, someone is going to get hurt"
Generally, in motorsport, we say that when someone gets killed or seriously injured, which is too late. That is justified by the folllow-up comment that the driver "knew the risks"
The problem with public runs like this is that if you kill someone else, they didn't know the risks and didn't sign up for them......
Muzzer79 said:
I lived on the films too. That Countach is burned in my memory.
However, risking it all is great as long as you're only risking yourself and/or other willing participants.
Like a racing driver, or a land-speed record.
But I can understand the argument that getting up to 193mph on a public road and averaging 103mph in a 28 hour run is risking others aswell.
Where does this stop? At what point do we say "that's too fast, someone is going to get hurt"
Generally, in motorsport, we say that when someone gets killed or seriously injured, which is too late. That is justified by the folllow-up comment that the driver "knew the risks"
The problem with public runs like this is that if you kill someone else, they didn't know the risks and didn't sign up for them......
I understand it too, but I have done 205 MPH on an autobahn on a Sunday morning and it was fine. There is a degree of risk but assuming that you are keep a lot of distance from others and have a properly prepared car I can accept it.However, risking it all is great as long as you're only risking yourself and/or other willing participants.
Like a racing driver, or a land-speed record.
But I can understand the argument that getting up to 193mph on a public road and averaging 103mph in a 28 hour run is risking others aswell.
Where does this stop? At what point do we say "that's too fast, someone is going to get hurt"
Generally, in motorsport, we say that when someone gets killed or seriously injured, which is too late. That is justified by the folllow-up comment that the driver "knew the risks"
The problem with public runs like this is that if you kill someone else, they didn't know the risks and didn't sign up for them......
Max_Torque said:
Niffty951 said:
I love this. I lived on the Gumball and Cannonball run films growing up.
This is a little piece of the past making it through to reality gives me hope. We're not all dead. Risking it all to keep the human spirit alive.
Great and all, but that's easy to say when you haven't had a friend or relaitve killed or seriously injured by a reckless driver, i.ee It's all a matter of perspective.This is a little piece of the past making it through to reality gives me hope. We're not all dead. Risking it all to keep the human spirit alive.
If that were the case, then it's pretty much certain your perspective might be less towards "fun" and more towards being responsible....
The only thing that separates this video from a daily commute on the auto bahn is the law (and these guys were far more cautious). Try persuading a committee of people to raise a speed limit for all, but is the outcome the right one? Is 70mph the fastest you can travel in a car safely? It looks to me when I set the cruise control at 72mph like 95% of people feel otherwise. It isn't that everyone is driving dangerously. It is that we are capable of independent thinking and risk management.
Not every person driving to work at 100mph is a sociopath, just as not everyone driving at 52mph is making better risk choices for their own lives and the lives of others.
This should be about celebrating the spark of life that makes us human and different, that took us beyond the caves and into space. They may not be advancing civilisation directly by their actions but if it can remind us we are alive. Make us ask fresh questions and rejuvenate the spark inside with such stunts, for nothing but joy, then I say well done to them!
The worst risk of all is that we lose all individuality of thought. We do nothing for fear of offence and let ourselves be told by others how we should live out our lives. Then die without having ever really grown or lived at all.
Edited by Niffty951 on Wednesday 4th December 18:25
Niffty951 said:
The only thing that separates this video from a daily commute on the auto bahn is the law
Disagree. On derestricted autobahn people are aware that a car might come up behind them at 190mph. Changing lanes with that knowledge vs. not having that knowledge is a massive difference!Niffty951 said:
The worst risk of all is that we lose all individuality of thought. We do nothing for fear of offence and let ourselves be told by others how we should live out our lives. Then die without having ever really grown or lived at all.
"Then die without having ever really grown or lived at all." Like the people we crash into and kill in the name of our "Individuality"??I have a question for you, Would you like to say that, face to face, to the family of a person or persons killed by a reckless speeding driver? Unless you are a truely calous and heartless individual (and most people aren't) then i suspect you wouldn't.
What exactly was "to gain for humainty" in this case? Nothing new was proved, we know a C63 AMG can go 193 mph, we know that if you average 103 mph for 27 hours then you can cross the USA? It's a pointless publicity stunt, useless to man kind other than the bragging rights and ego boosting.
What this recklessness WILL achieve is the even quicker manditory installation of autonous speed limiting in our vehicles. And that will affect everyone. Mark my words, the days of private passenger cars being allowed to go 193mph are numberred, and stunts like this are only going to hammer in the final few nails..........
If you want to drive insanely fast in your car, then there are plenty of legally accessable methods that allow just that (Motorsport, track days, Vmax days etc), methods that don't risk completely innocent people getting caught up in your ego driven stupidity!
(and no, i'm not talking about the odd, short term transgression of the reasonably arbitrary posted limits here. A quick blast for a short period (seconds, perhaps even minutes given enough space), even up to pretty high speeds is actually reasonably safe in a modern performance car, but is still reckless, in that you are needlessly increasing both the probability of an accident and the magnitude of the effects of that accident should it occur the faster your travel.
Occasionally being able to do just that, but not bragging about it all over the internet to inflate your ego is the real freedom of owning a perfromance car and driving it on the open road, and that freedom, one of demostrable responsibility is what we stand to loose when idiots publish stunts like this. To say you are not a true petrolhead if you think otherwise is not just eroneous, it's actually pretty stupid. A TRUE petrolhead reaslises the responsibility they hold, and uses that responsibility carefully..........
mstrbkr said:
Disagree. On derestricted autobahn people are aware that a car might come up behind them at 190mph. Changing lanes with that knowledge vs. not having that knowledge is a massive difference!
There is of course a difference and I have a lot of experience of both, but there are innumerable roads on which I have driven where there is little traffic and almost infinite sightlines...
Superleg48 said:
I am flabbergasted at some of the comments from members of this “Pistonheads” Forum. It is clear that somewhere like Mumsnet would be more appropriate for these people, than this forum.
I would imagine that many of these people are the same people campaigning for Schools to ban Tag or Stuck in the Mud, in case little Billy or little Priscilla gets hurt....
Amazing achievement by these guys and being part of that crew on that drive would have been an absolute blast of fun and adrenaline pumping excitement. Love stories like these.
I stand by my comment 100%, if people want to drive this fast, book a track day. Driving like this on the road is madness.I would imagine that many of these people are the same people campaigning for Schools to ban Tag or Stuck in the Mud, in case little Billy or little Priscilla gets hurt....
Amazing achievement by these guys and being part of that crew on that drive would have been an absolute blast of fun and adrenaline pumping excitement. Love stories like these.
Galsia said:
Its pretty strange how this is admired yet a few weeks ago this was universally condemned:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/moment-porsc...
I wonder if it would have been on the PH front page if he didn't die...
Well, I think it is clear that the conditions are totally different. Can't you see that for yourself? https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/moment-porsc...
I wonder if it would have been on the PH front page if he didn't die...
The cannonball record wasn't set in torrential rain on a very busy A-road from what I can tell.
Context is somewhat important no?
Muzzer79 said:
I lived on the films too. That Countach is burned in my memory.
However, risking it all is great as long as you're only risking yourself and/or other willing participants.
Like a racing driver, or a land-speed record.
But I can understand the argument that getting up to 193mph on a public road and averaging 103mph in a 28 hour run is risking others aswell.
Where does this stop? At what point do we say "that's too fast, someone is going to get hurt"
Generally, in motorsport, we say that when someone gets killed or seriously injured, which is too late. That is justified by the folllow-up comment that the driver "knew the risks"
The problem with public runs like this is that if you kill someone else, they didn't know the risks and didn't sign up for them......
^^^ThisHowever, risking it all is great as long as you're only risking yourself and/or other willing participants.
Like a racing driver, or a land-speed record.
But I can understand the argument that getting up to 193mph on a public road and averaging 103mph in a 28 hour run is risking others aswell.
Where does this stop? At what point do we say "that's too fast, someone is going to get hurt"
Generally, in motorsport, we say that when someone gets killed or seriously injured, which is too late. That is justified by the folllow-up comment that the driver "knew the risks"
The problem with public runs like this is that if you kill someone else, they didn't know the risks and didn't sign up for them......
Per an earlier poster who referenced estrogen levels... it's not about driving slowly, is about risk for the participant (their decision) and innocent parties (not their decision)
vaud said:
Muzzer79 said:
I lived on the films too. That Countach is burned in my memory.
However, risking it all is great as long as you're only risking yourself and/or other willing participants.
Like a racing driver, or a land-speed record.
But I can understand the argument that getting up to 193mph on a public road and averaging 103mph in a 28 hour run is risking others aswell.
Where does this stop? At what point do we say "that's too fast, someone is going to get hurt"
Generally, in motorsport, we say that when someone gets killed or seriously injured, which is too late. That is justified by the folllow-up comment that the driver "knew the risks"
The problem with public runs like this is that if you kill someone else, they didn't know the risks and didn't sign up for them......
^^^ThisHowever, risking it all is great as long as you're only risking yourself and/or other willing participants.
Like a racing driver, or a land-speed record.
But I can understand the argument that getting up to 193mph on a public road and averaging 103mph in a 28 hour run is risking others aswell.
Where does this stop? At what point do we say "that's too fast, someone is going to get hurt"
Generally, in motorsport, we say that when someone gets killed or seriously injured, which is too late. That is justified by the folllow-up comment that the driver "knew the risks"
The problem with public runs like this is that if you kill someone else, they didn't know the risks and didn't sign up for them......
Per an earlier poster who referenced estrogen levels... it's not about driving slowly, is about risk for the participant (their decision) and innocent parties (not their decision)
DoubleD said:
We dont know what risks they took, unless the video is 27 hours long.
I think we can guess that it was significantly elevated, given the average and peak speeds.Don't get me wrong, I like speed, but mostly on a track or event where the others have signed up to the same risk.
Max_Torque said:
I have a question for you, Would you like to say that, face to face, to the family of a person or persons killed by a reckless speeding driver? Unless you are a truely calous and heartless individual (and most people aren't) then i suspect you wouldn't.
I'm suggesting that reckless and speeding are two mutually exclusive terms. Applying one does not necessarily imply the other.I believe no one can drive in a queue of traffic at 60mph in a "smart" average speed zone every day and remain attentive for an hour. You cover the most distance and carry the most energy in the time before you hit the brake pedal. The danger you don't see while worrying about work, your marriage, the DIY you're doing at the weekend is still very present.
This behaviour is socially acceptable but who's to say this 'blind driving' while multi tasking is safer than driving fast but attentively?
Look at that man's face in the video, not blinking, eyes wide and alert.
I don't believe he's reckless. I believe he's breaking the law.
Edited by Niffty951 on Wednesday 4th December 19:31
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Superleg48 said:
I am flabbergasted at some of the comments from members of this “Pistonheads” Forum. It is clear that somewhere like Mumsnet would be more appropriate for these people, than this forum.
I would imagine that many of these people are the same people campaigning for Schools to ban Tag or Stuck in the Mud, in case little Billy or little Priscilla gets hurt....
Amazing achievement by these guys and being part of that crew on that drive would have been an absolute blast of fun and adrenaline pumping excitement. Love stories like these.
I stand by my comment 100%, if people want to drive this fast, book a track day. Driving like this on the road is madness.I would imagine that many of these people are the same people campaigning for Schools to ban Tag or Stuck in the Mud, in case little Billy or little Priscilla gets hurt....
Amazing achievement by these guys and being part of that crew on that drive would have been an absolute blast of fun and adrenaline pumping excitement. Love stories like these.
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