RE: Chevy losing up to $20k on new Corvettes

RE: Chevy losing up to $20k on new Corvettes

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ate one too

2,902 posts

147 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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nickfrog said:
Zetec-S said:
Peugeot really released the 1007 expecting to lose £13k on each one???
Were they even as much as £13k?
They would have released it at a price point hoping to sell enough to cover all the development costs - amortisation - based on predicted sales over the lifespan of the car.

But it was such a shile of pit not enough people did buy it and therefore it made a loss overall.

I daresay that nominal margin was made on each car if you stripped out the development costs.

Edited by ate one too on Friday 6th December 15:21

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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nickfrog said:
We don't even know the UK price yet anyway, do we?
If anyone manages to take delivery of an "official" C8 in UK for less than £80,000 they will have done remarkably well.

Most C7s at the UK dealership are already £80,000 or more. https://www.ianallanvirginiawater.co.uk/used-cars-...





Plate spinner

17,739 posts

201 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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nickfrog said:
We don't even know the UK price yet anyway, do we?
True, GM will turn that global per/unit loss into profit once RHD UK pricing is locked hehe

dandare

957 posts

255 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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I don't see why they couldn't deliberately make a loss on all Corvettes.

I only briefly looked at the Corvette sales figures ( https://www.corvsport.com/corvette-sales-volume-ye... )
But it seems to be between 10 and 30,000 per year, for the last twenty years.

Compared to the total of GM cars sold ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/225326/amount-... )
Between 8 and 10 million cars per year, of which I'm guessing a good 30-40% are pick-ups with pretty good profit margins, It's quite poosible that the Corvette is a lost leader.

Somebody from GM once told me, that Corvettes were always sold at a loss.(He was a bit flexible with the truth, though).


ChocolateFrog

25,536 posts

174 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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dandare said:
I don't see why they couldn't deliberately make a loss on all Corvettes.

I only briefly looked at the Corvette sales figures ( https://www.corvsport.com/corvette-sales-volume-ye... )
But it seems to be between 10 and 30,000 per year, for the last twenty years.

Compared to the total of GM cars sold ( https://www.statista.com/statistics/225326/amount-... )
Between 8 and 10 million cars per year, of which I'm guessing a good 30-40% are pick-ups with pretty good profit margins, It's quite poosible that the Corvette is a lost leader.

Somebody from GM once told me, that Corvettes were always sold at a loss.(He was a bit flexible with the truth, though).
Certainly believable.

gofasterrosssco

1,238 posts

237 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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As GM was / is effectively propped up by the American tax payer, who cares!

TheOrangePeril

778 posts

181 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Surely it's not a 'loss' of we're talking about development costs... Unless the marginal cost of producing each one is 20k more than the asking price, then the statement that they're losing that much money is misleading. Development costs can be recouped down the line (eg. Bugatti) when more/new models are made.

heres2thehole

24 posts

132 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Does anyone know if Chevrolet UK are taking pre-orders on these yet ?

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

180 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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heres2thehole said:
Does anyone know if Chevrolet UK are taking pre-orders on these yet ?
I didn’t know there was such a thing as Chevrolet UK!

As said, the loss per unit isn’t necessarily that each unit costs more to build than it can be sold. Development and tooling costs will be amortised, for example

GM certainly is a company that can make a loss (as shown by its bankruptcy in 2009), but the C8 Corvette doesn’t show the full story. I wasn’t sure about a mid engined Corvette before it turned up, but now it seems so natural that I’m not sure why it didn’t happen earlier. I really like it

Novexx

346 posts

75 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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Preemtive strike in advance of a price increase.

unsprung

5,467 posts

125 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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False claims here about past Corvette production and profit. Lazy PHers feeding trolls.

Here are facts:

In the last 20 years, Corvette has sold as many as 36,000+ units in a single year. In nine of those years, sales exceeded 30,000 units.

Corvette annual sales figures, 1996 - 2018
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/chevrole...

Furthermore: Corvette is profitable. Corvette earns big money for General Motors.

“It’s very significant for us financially” -- General Motors Chief Executive Mary Barra
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-07-19/...

"Corvette makes as much money as any of the top-profit models in our company” -- Mark Reuss, when President of General Motors North America
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/03/the-corvette-i...

"...the success of the 7th generation Corvette will mean hundreds of millions of dollars more in profit this year for General Motors"
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/07/strong-c...



unsprung

5,467 posts

125 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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martin12345 said:
This is nonsense - no way will GM be selling a car at a $20k loss
If this was the truth the car would have been cancelled
Plate spinner said:
It’s sensationalist journalism.
sideways sid said:
There is no mention of this potentially costly situation in the most recent form 10-Q, which is used to share price-sensitive news with the regulator and investment community. It actually contains a statement telling shareholders "There have been no material changes to the Risk Factors disclosed in our 2018 Form 10-K" If GM really discovered a significant loss on its halo model, they would be telling shareholders.
+1



Tallow

1,624 posts

162 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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I'd like to see some real numbers on this, but I am sceptical. Also, what is this based on, total cost to manufacture, or cost of materials? Those are two very different propositions, and two very different implications for the business.

On a tangential note, I just checked out the Chevrolet website and see you can buy an entry level Camaro for $25k. Now THAT'S some agressive pricing.

Downward

3,620 posts

104 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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nickfrog said:
Zetec-S said:
Peugeot really released the 1007 expecting to lose £13k on each one???
Were they even as much as £13k?
That was the loss on everyone sold.

stevesingo

4,858 posts

223 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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It looks like it was constructed out of Lego and then had the pimples smoothed off the exterior. Nope. Keep it GM.

BFleming

3,611 posts

144 months

Friday 6th December 2019
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unsprung said:
False claims here about past Corvette production and profit. Lazy PHers feeding trolls.

Here are facts:

In the last 20 years, Corvette has sold as many as 36,000+ units in a single year. In nine of those years, sales exceeded 30,000 units.

Corvette annual sales figures, 1996 - 2018
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/chevrole...

Furthermore: Corvette is profitable. Corvette earns big money for General Motors.

“It’s very significant for us financially” -- General Motors Chief Executive Mary Barra
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-07-19/...

"Corvette makes as much money as any of the top-profit models in our company” -- Mark Reuss, when President of General Motors North America
http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/03/the-corvette-i...

"...the success of the 7th generation Corvette will mean hundreds of millions of dollars more in profit this year for General Motors"
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/07/strong-c...
Possibly the best post I've read during my time on PH.

borat52

564 posts

209 months

Saturday 7th December 2019
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Big difference between "losing" money based on spreading the R&D and tooling over each unit and actually losing money on the cost of production per unit.

I very much doubt they are losing money on the cost of production.

Likewise with things like the veyron, it makes a good news story to speak of the amount lost per unit but how much R&D that VW group did on the veyron was transferred over to other models. I suspect a significant amount.

Jimmy Recard

17,540 posts

180 months

Saturday 7th December 2019
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stevesingo said:
It looks like it was constructed out of Lego and then had the pimples smoothed off the exterior. Nope. Keep it GM.
How do you mean? It's not particularly square

Baileyk

197 posts

65 months

Saturday 7th December 2019
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Augustus Windsock said:
An article from October 1973;
“British Leyland are selling the Mini at a loss despite the latest price increase and the fact that after 14 years it is still their top export model. Mr John Barber, BLMC's deputy chairman and managing director said yesterday: "The Mini is a wonderful car though I think insufficient attention was paid during the design stage to the inherent problems of production costs. Even though we have increased the price it is still not a profitable model."

He added that because of the profitable replacement parts business generated by Mini sales it was "more in the nature of a break-even operation."

Didn’t Ford (?) buy a Mini, rip it apart, and then declare how they couldn’t find how BL (Austin Morris) made a profit on them?
Some vehicles are ‘halo’ models, the manufacturer hoping that the effect of such cars cascades down the range and increase sales? Not saying that is the case with this of course.
I’ve read this statement regarding mini and BL from various sources over the years and they did indeed make a loss on every mini sold. Also read that the head of ford wrote to the head of BL informing them of the losses!

Regarding halo models,ford made a loss with the mk1 Ford Focus RS. But the amount of free advertising the return of the rs badge generated probably made up for it.

Zetec-S

5,892 posts

94 months

Saturday 7th December 2019
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Downward said:
nickfrog said:
Zetec-S said:
Peugeot really released the 1007 expecting to lose £13k on each one???
Were they even as much as £13k?
That was the loss on everyone sold.
Perhaps, but I doubt at the time Peugeot released it expecting to lose money.

There's a big difference between intentionally releasing a car (or any product) knowing you'll lose money on each one, and a sales flop.