Model 3 crash on autopilot
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
I’m not sure it is a non story though. If the bloke had been in a normal car and crashed then absolutely as this sort of event happens all day all across the globe.
What makes it not be a non story is the involvement of ‘autopilot’ and the comedy element of hitting an enormous, stationary police car with big flashing blue lights.
If AP disengaged because the driver took both hands off the wheel then it raises the interesting question as to whether it should do this. When the driver falls asleep and their hands fall off the wheel is sounding an alarm and disengaging the sensible thing to happen? In this case it would appear that the chap ignores the alarm and warnings and as the system disengages the car subsequently veers into an enormous, highly visible object.
These cars are fully connected to the outside world so maybe it would be more logical to not disengage AP when the driver breaches the protocols but carry on but debit his bank account a $/second of infringement. Nothing focuses the professional consumers attention more than taking away their fun tokens.
Maybe it should pull over and stop safely until they put their hands on the wheel? That would seem a better fail safe than just leaving the car uncontrolled.What makes it not be a non story is the involvement of ‘autopilot’ and the comedy element of hitting an enormous, stationary police car with big flashing blue lights.
If AP disengaged because the driver took both hands off the wheel then it raises the interesting question as to whether it should do this. When the driver falls asleep and their hands fall off the wheel is sounding an alarm and disengaging the sensible thing to happen? In this case it would appear that the chap ignores the alarm and warnings and as the system disengages the car subsequently veers into an enormous, highly visible object.
These cars are fully connected to the outside world so maybe it would be more logical to not disengage AP when the driver breaches the protocols but carry on but debit his bank account a $/second of infringement. Nothing focuses the professional consumers attention more than taking away their fun tokens.
DonkeyApple said:
I’m not sure it is a non story though. If the bloke had been in a normal car and crashed then absolutely as this sort of event happens all day all across the globe.
What makes it not be a non story is the involvement of ‘autopilot’ and the comedy element of hitting an enormous, stationary police car with big flashing blue lights.
If AP disengaged because the driver took both hands off the wheel then it raises the interesting question as to whether it should do this. When the driver falls asleep and their hands fall off the wheel is sounding an alarm and disengaging the sensible thing to happen? In this case it would appear that the chap ignores the alarm and warnings and as the system disengages the car subsequently veers into an enormous, highly visible object.
These cars are fully connected to the outside world so maybe it would be more logical to not disengage AP when the driver breaches the protocols but carry on but debit his bank account a $/second of infringement. Nothing focuses the professional consumers attention more than taking away their fun tokens.
Relying on my memory here (never the best strategy for me) but I believe that when the autopilot "disengages" due to lack of driver response, it brings the car to a controlled stop.What makes it not be a non story is the involvement of ‘autopilot’ and the comedy element of hitting an enormous, stationary police car with big flashing blue lights.
If AP disengaged because the driver took both hands off the wheel then it raises the interesting question as to whether it should do this. When the driver falls asleep and their hands fall off the wheel is sounding an alarm and disengaging the sensible thing to happen? In this case it would appear that the chap ignores the alarm and warnings and as the system disengages the car subsequently veers into an enormous, highly visible object.
These cars are fully connected to the outside world so maybe it would be more logical to not disengage AP when the driver breaches the protocols but carry on but debit his bank account a $/second of infringement. Nothing focuses the professional consumers attention more than taking away their fun tokens.
From the article, I didn't get the impression that AP disengaged and the car swerved into the police car, I got the impression that AP didn't notice the police car and drove into it. It doesn't even make it clear if the car tried but failed to brake or not.
Personally I think it has been marketed perfectly when you look at the Wikipedia definition.
An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft, marine craft or spacecraft without constant manual control by a human operator being required. Autopilots do not replace human operators, but instead they assist them in controlling the vehicle. This allows them to focus on broader aspects of operations such as monitoring the trajectory, weather and systems.
An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft, marine craft or spacecraft without constant manual control by a human operator being required. Autopilots do not replace human operators, but instead they assist them in controlling the vehicle. This allows them to focus on broader aspects of operations such as monitoring the trajectory, weather and systems.
kiseca said:
Relying on my memory here (never the best strategy for me) but I believe that when the autopilot "disengages" due to lack of driver response, it brings the car to a controlled stop.
From the article, I didn't get the impression that AP disengaged and the car swerved into the police car, I got the impression that AP didn't notice the police car and drove into it. It doesn't even make it clear if the car tried but failed to brake or not.
Or it pulled over to the kerb and came to a controlled stop with the help of the police car. From the article, I didn't get the impression that AP disengaged and the car swerved into the police car, I got the impression that AP didn't notice the police car and drove into it. It doesn't even make it clear if the car tried but failed to brake or not.
jamoor said:
Personally I think it has been marketed perfectly when you look at the Wikipedia definition.
An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft, marine craft or spacecraft without constant manual control by a human operator being required. Autopilots do not replace human operators, but instead they assist them in controlling the vehicle. This allows them to focus on broader aspects of operations such as monitoring the trajectory, weather and systems.
That’s an explanation of what autopilot means on planet Earth rather than the Muskosphere. An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft, marine craft or spacecraft without constant manual control by a human operator being required. Autopilots do not replace human operators, but instead they assist them in controlling the vehicle. This allows them to focus on broader aspects of operations such as monitoring the trajectory, weather and systems.
That’s the dichotomy that is faced here. Smart people know what autopilot means. Muskotrons think it means self driving. Hence why this plum drove into a police car while fondling his only friend.
DonkeyApple said:
jamoor said:
Personally I think it has been marketed perfectly when you look at the Wikipedia definition.
An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft, marine craft or spacecraft without constant manual control by a human operator being required. Autopilots do not replace human operators, but instead they assist them in controlling the vehicle. This allows them to focus on broader aspects of operations such as monitoring the trajectory, weather and systems.
That’s an explanation of what autopilot means on planet Earth rather than the Muskosphere. An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft, marine craft or spacecraft without constant manual control by a human operator being required. Autopilots do not replace human operators, but instead they assist them in controlling the vehicle. This allows them to focus on broader aspects of operations such as monitoring the trajectory, weather and systems.
That’s the dichotomy that is faced here. Smart people know what autopilot means. Muskotrons think it means self driving. Hence why this plum drove into a police car while fondling his only friend.
J4CKO said:
DonkeyApple said:
J4CKO said:
I think all autonomous systems should be banned, no further development, in favour of the good,old fashioned, infallible human drivers...
Or just let the dog drive when it is the responsible adult in the vehicle. 
https://youtu.be/MxC519h0xDg
mcdjl said:
Maybe it should pull over and stop safely until they put their hands on the wheel? That would seem a better fail safe than just leaving the car uncontrolled.
This is what happens if you stop holding the wheel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUo5508UVc
it warns you then slows down to a stop & puts hazards on.
It doesnt disengage unless it cant figure out how to proceed - tight bed, bad road markings, junctions etc. It warns you when its doing this.
Its not designed for the driver to be not paying attention, its never been marketed as FSD, every single tesla owner knows the difference because FSD is an extra $6000 and not yet delivered.
jamoor said:
DonkeyApple said:
jamoor said:
Personally I think it has been marketed perfectly when you look at the Wikipedia definition.
An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft, marine craft or spacecraft without constant manual control by a human operator being required. Autopilots do not replace human operators, but instead they assist them in controlling the vehicle. This allows them to focus on broader aspects of operations such as monitoring the trajectory, weather and systems.
That’s an explanation of what autopilot means on planet Earth rather than the Muskosphere. An autopilot is a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft, marine craft or spacecraft without constant manual control by a human operator being required. Autopilots do not replace human operators, but instead they assist them in controlling the vehicle. This allows them to focus on broader aspects of operations such as monitoring the trajectory, weather and systems.
That’s the dichotomy that is faced here. Smart people know what autopilot means. Muskotrons think it means self driving. Hence why this plum drove into a police car while fondling his only friend.
RobDickinson said:
mcdjl said:
Maybe it should pull over and stop safely until they put their hands on the wheel? That would seem a better fail safe than just leaving the car uncontrolled.
This is what happens if you stop holding the wheel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUo5508UVc
it warns you then slows down to a stop & puts hazards on.
It doesnt disengage unless it cant figure out how to proceed - tight bed, bad road markings, junctions etc. It warns you when its doing this.
Its not designed for the driver to be not paying attention, its never been marketed as FSD, every single tesla owner knows the difference because FSD is an extra $6000 and not yet delivered.
RobDickinson said:
mcdjl said:
Maybe it should pull over and stop safely until they put their hands on the wheel? That would seem a better fail safe than just leaving the car uncontrolled.
This is what happens if you stop holding the wheel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUo5508UVc
it warns you then slows down to a stop & puts hazards on.
It doesnt disengage unless it cant figure out how to proceed - tight bed, bad road markings, junctions etc. It warns you when its doing this.
Its not designed for the driver to be not paying attention, its never been marketed as FSD, every single tesla owner knows the difference because FSD is an extra $6000 and not yet delivered.
jamoor said:
RobDickinson said:
mcdjl said:
Maybe it should pull over and stop safely until they put their hands on the wheel? That would seem a better fail safe than just leaving the car uncontrolled.
This is what happens if you stop holding the wheel.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUo5508UVc
it warns you then slows down to a stop & puts hazards on.
It doesnt disengage unless it cant figure out how to proceed - tight bed, bad road markings, junctions etc. It warns you when its doing this.
Its not designed for the driver to be not paying attention, its never been marketed as FSD, every single tesla owner knows the difference because FSD is an extra $6000 and not yet delivered.
Get thee into politics. Chatting to a friend who has a Tesla and they where saying one of the things they have found is its quite easy to not engage the autopilot. Or at very least get into a position where you assume it is engaged and it actually isn't. Because your in the same car, sometimes its on, sometimes its not, so you it do its thing assuming it is lane guiding and then it drifts a bit and you put it down to it not being perfect for a moment, then realise actually its just doesnt have auto pilot on!
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RobDickinson said:
This is what happens if you stop holding the wheel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUo5508UVc
it warns you then slows down to a stop & puts hazards on.
It doesnt disengage unless it cant figure out how to proceed - tight bed, bad road markings, junctions etc. It warns you when its doing this.
Its not designed for the driver to be not paying attention, its never been marketed as FSD, every single tesla owner knows the difference because FSD is an extra $6000 and not yet delivered.
That appeared to stop in the carriage way. There was a hard shoulder next to it. Is like to know why the car decided to stop blocking the road rather than use the space intended for emergencies/ stopped vehicles. Possibly another area where main stream car companies are taking things more seriously and cautiously than paedo guy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUo5508UVc
it warns you then slows down to a stop & puts hazards on.
It doesnt disengage unless it cant figure out how to proceed - tight bed, bad road markings, junctions etc. It warns you when its doing this.
Its not designed for the driver to be not paying attention, its never been marketed as FSD, every single tesla owner knows the difference because FSD is an extra $6000 and not yet delivered.
mcdjl said:
That appeared to stop in the carriage way. There was a hard shoulder next to it. Is like to know why the car decided to stop blocking the road rather than use the space intended for emergencies/ stopped vehicles. Possibly another area where main stream car companies are taking things more seriously and cautiously than paedo guy.
because its dumb software and cant think for itself 
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