RE: BMW X5 xDrive45e | Driven
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grancab is my hero said:
scottygib553 said:
I think it’s a far more handsome car than before but gloss white with black wheels....yuck
I think BMW offer different colour choices Just other shades of white/black/grey, plus a blue (unless you opt for the couple of expensive Individual options of yet more shades of monochrome and a dark purple/plum colour)
JakeT said:
The juxtaposition of a hybrid that weighs 2.4 tonnes is real though. I heard a snippet on the news yesterday about a climate bod stating that SUVs are a slap in the face of trying to prevent such drastic climate change. Without getting all political, I think he's right. Not only is it a massive amount of resources to create it, I am sure particulate matter from brakes are tyres are high considering the massive weight of a car like this. I'm sure it'll sell well though. Even if they never get plugged in.
I saw that on the BBC News and I call BS. A 7-seat hybrid SUV is not significantly heavier than a 7-seat hybrid MPV. Or to that matter, from a 5-seat hybrid estate. They take up roughly the same amount of room on the road and in a car parking space.It's just that some people have an unhealthy problem with
JakeT said:
The juxtaposition of a hybrid that weighs 2.4 tonnes is real though. I heard a snippet on the news yesterday about a climate bod stating that SUVs are a slap in the face of trying to prevent such drastic climate change. Without getting all political, I think he's right. Not only is it a massive amount of resources to create it, I am sure particulate matter from brakes are tyres are high considering the massive weight of a car like this. I'm sure it'll sell well though. Even if they never get plugged in.
Unfortunately my surefire environmental solution of nuking major populations centres doesn't seem to be gaining traction. Until that happens, I'm going to enjoy every modern comfort society has to offer. Oh well.
John Allison said:
Seems ridiculous that you pay lower tax to drive a 2.4 tonne SUV with 300kg of heavy metal in it’s batteries mined from god-knows-where because that’s supposedly ‘green’
About 30-40kg of recyclable heavy metals in a battery pack like this, but never let the facts get in the way of a good story 
ecs0set said:
I saw that on the BBC News and I call BS. A 7-seat hybrid SUV is not significantly heavier than a 7-seat hybrid MPV. Or to that matter, from a 5-seat hybrid estate. They take up roughly the same amount of room on the road and in a car parking space.
It's just that some people have an unhealthy problem with4x4s (no wait Fiat Panda 4x4)
SUV (no wait Nissan Juke) ???.
Mostly I agree with you, but I just had a quick look at the 5 series touring weight. The heaviest one listed was 1875kg. 525kg less than the X5. I did some looking at the 530e, and that weighs 1935kg. If we round it up to 2 tonnes* for a 530e touring that BMW don't make, that's still 400kg less weight. 400kg less 'stuff' to make. I'm not specifically talking about the space on the roads, more what has to go into making such a vehicle.It's just that some people have an unhealthy problem with
I do completely agree with the 'big car' obession. Which is why something like the Tiguan sells so well, and why many brands are killing off models to replace them with 'big cars'.
This was an approximation, it may be less or more.
JakeT said:
I heard a snippet on the news yesterday about a climate bod stating that SUVs are a slap in the face of trying to prevent such drastic climate change. Without getting all political, I think he's right. Not only is it a massive amount of resources to create it, I am sure particulate matter from brakes are tyres are high considering the massive weight of a car like this. .
Probably. But what would he says about a powerful sports car that does 20mpg at best and goes through brakes and rubber at an even faster rate, particularly on track ? It's a slippery slope that we may not want to start going down... JakeT said:
I do completely agree with the 'big car' obession. Which is why something like the Tiguan sells so well, and why many brands are killing off models to replace them with 'big cars'.
I think a Tiguan has a smaller footprint than a Golf Estate but I could be wrong. Both very good, just different shapes and proportions. nickfrog said:
JakeT said:
I heard a snippet on the news yesterday about a climate bod stating that SUVs are a slap in the face of trying to prevent such drastic climate change. Without getting all political, I think he's right. Not only is it a massive amount of resources to create it, I am sure particulate matter from brakes are tyres are high considering the massive weight of a car like this. .
Probably. But what would he says about a powerful sports car that does 20mpg at best and goes through brakes and rubber at an even faster rate, particularly on track ? It's a slippery slope that we may not want to start going down... I agree with you, and as a site for the petrolhead it's an 'in' thing to hate SUVs. I don't hate them, and think the X5 would be an excellent car. It's more a cry for BMW to put such top tier hybrid powertrains in a smaller body. In doing that, I would hope that it would use less fuel (petrol or electric), generate less particulate matter from its consumables, and less greenhouse gas emissions in the production of it.
JakeT said:
ecs0set said:
I saw that on the BBC News and I call BS. A 7-seat hybrid SUV is not significantly heavier than a 7-seat hybrid MPV. Or to that matter, from a 5-seat hybrid estate. They take up roughly the same amount of room on the road and in a car parking space.
It's just that some people have an unhealthy problem with4x4s (no wait Fiat Panda 4x4)
SUV (no wait Nissan Juke) ???.
Mostly I agree with you, but I just had a quick look at the 5 series touring weight. The heaviest one listed was 1875kg. 525kg less than the X5. I did some looking at the 530e, and that weighs 1935kg. If we round it up to 2 tonnes* for a 530e touring that BMW don't make, that's still 400kg less weight. 400kg less 'stuff' to make. I'm not specifically talking about the space on the roads, more what has to go into making such a vehicle.It's just that some people have an unhealthy problem with
I do completely agree with the 'big car' obession. Which is why something like the Tiguan sells so well, and why many brands are killing off models to replace them with 'big cars'.
This was an approximation, it may be less or more.
Good to see they've binned the 4 pot for a better six cylinder unit... still, might consider one in a couple of years' time
JakeT said:
Mostly I agree with you, but I just had a quick look at the 5 series touring weight. The heaviest one listed was 1875kg. 525kg less than the X5. I did some looking at the 530e, and that weighs 1935kg. If we round it up to 2 tonnes* for a 530e touring that BMW don't make, that's still 400kg less weight. 400kg less 'stuff' to make. I'm not specifically talking about the space on the roads, more what has to go into making such a vehicle.
You are hardly comparing fair cars. Why? The 530e uses a 4 cylinder engine for starters, and a 6 cylinder engine weighs a fair bit more (shock horror). The X5 45e also uses more batteries, which also add more weight. Probably best to compare the X5 to the 5er touring when they have the same engines and both with 4WD. The 530d xdrive is 1975kgs and the X5 with the 30d engine is 2145kgs, so it's nearer 170kgs, rather than the 400kgs you seem to suggest.But then, you can't get 3 child seats across the back of a 5er touring, but you can in an X5. X5 also has a bigger boot than a 5er touring.
What's 'fair' in the matter. BMW does not make a 545e, let alone a 530e touring.
The six weighing more than the four is not lost on me, not really a shock horror though, is it.
Even going by the 'mere' 170kg weight gain, that's a fair whack. If a manufacturer claimed a 170kg weight loss, that would be massive.
I also can't test your claim about getting three child seats across the back of the 5 series. The proportion of X5 buyers that use it for three car seats will also be seriously low.
The six weighing more than the four is not lost on me, not really a shock horror though, is it.
Even going by the 'mere' 170kg weight gain, that's a fair whack. If a manufacturer claimed a 170kg weight loss, that would be massive.
I also can't test your claim about getting three child seats across the back of the 5 series. The proportion of X5 buyers that use it for three car seats will also be seriously low.
Despite being a hybrid, it still only offers 35 (or so) MPG ...and it also costs nearly £80,000...
Yes; Its better than a FULL-Electric, as it has its petrol engine, when the electric power runs out.
However; I was really expecting to read it does at least twice the 35MPG, or more?
What would be better for the environment; Is to purchase a decent 2nd hand diesel or petrol model (for £25k or so) and run that into the ground, until we know which way we are going with electric cars and more facilities are available for plugging in and the range also increases on these cars and the MPG 2x; 3x or more!?
My immaculate 10year old L322 Range Rover TDV8 is just as comfortable and good looking (in my eyes) and can do the same MPG as this, doesnt have to find a charger and worth a fraction of this price (to buy) and im not using more of the worlds resources as still using what was made 10 years ago.
A car made for people who have too much money but also want us to know they are doing the bit for the environment, despite flying off on numerous holidays overseas every year, with all their kids..
Yes; Its better than a FULL-Electric, as it has its petrol engine, when the electric power runs out.
However; I was really expecting to read it does at least twice the 35MPG, or more?
What would be better for the environment; Is to purchase a decent 2nd hand diesel or petrol model (for £25k or so) and run that into the ground, until we know which way we are going with electric cars and more facilities are available for plugging in and the range also increases on these cars and the MPG 2x; 3x or more!?
My immaculate 10year old L322 Range Rover TDV8 is just as comfortable and good looking (in my eyes) and can do the same MPG as this, doesnt have to find a charger and worth a fraction of this price (to buy) and im not using more of the worlds resources as still using what was made 10 years ago.
A car made for people who have too much money but also want us to know they are doing the bit for the environment, despite flying off on numerous holidays overseas every year, with all their kids..
ds, new cars, overseas holidays. How dare they???? 
W12AAM said:
Despite being a hybrid, it still only offers 35 (or so) MPG ...and it also costs nearly £80,000...
Yes; Its better than a FULL-Electric, as it has its petrol engine, when the electric power runs out.
However; I was really expecting to read it does at least twice the 35MPG, or more?
What would be better for the environment; Is to purchase a decent 2nd hand diesel or petrol model (for £25k or so) and run that into the ground, until we know which way we are going with electric cars and more facilities are available for plugging in and the range also increases on these cars and the MPG 2x; 3x or more!?
My immaculate 10year old L322 Range Rover TDV8 is just as comfortable and good looking (in my eyes) and can do the same MPG as this, doesnt have to find a charger and worth a fraction of this price (to buy) and im not using more of the worlds resources as still using what was made 10 years ago.
Its not about mpg, its about emissions and the drive to reduce them, especially the nasty diesel nox stuff. You've missed the point entirely.Yes; Its better than a FULL-Electric, as it has its petrol engine, when the electric power runs out.
However; I was really expecting to read it does at least twice the 35MPG, or more?
What would be better for the environment; Is to purchase a decent 2nd hand diesel or petrol model (for £25k or so) and run that into the ground, until we know which way we are going with electric cars and more facilities are available for plugging in and the range also increases on these cars and the MPG 2x; 3x or more!?
My immaculate 10year old L322 Range Rover TDV8 is just as comfortable and good looking (in my eyes) and can do the same MPG as this, doesnt have to find a charger and worth a fraction of this price (to buy) and im not using more of the worlds resources as still using what was made 10 years ago.
If your predominant journey profile is short urban use, then yes, its likely the mpg will be 50mpg+......as you'd spend more time in full electric mode.
If you do 20k+ per year doing a long motorway commute, then its likely you would struggle to match the mpg of a 30d version, let alone exceed it.
W12AAM said:
Despite being a hybrid, it still only offers 35 (or so) MPG ...and it also costs nearly £80,000...
Yes; Its better than a FULL-Electric, as it has its petrol engine, when the electric power runs out.
However; I was really expecting to read it does at least twice the 35MPG, or more?
What would be better for the environment; Is to purchase a decent 2nd hand diesel or petrol model (for £25k or so) and run that into the ground, until we know which way we are going with electric cars and more facilities are available for plugging in and the range also increases on these cars and the MPG 2x; 3x or more!?
My immaculate 10year old L322 Range Rover TDV8 is just as comfortable and good looking (in my eyes) and can do the same MPG as this, doesnt have to find a charger and worth a fraction of this price (to buy) and im not using more of the worlds resources as still using what was made 10 years ago.
A car made for people who have too much money but also want us to know they are doing the bit for the environment, despite flying off on numerous holidays overseas every year, with all their kids..
So your TDV8 does a genuine 35mpg on a pump to pump calculation calculation?Yes; Its better than a FULL-Electric, as it has its petrol engine, when the electric power runs out.
However; I was really expecting to read it does at least twice the 35MPG, or more?
What would be better for the environment; Is to purchase a decent 2nd hand diesel or petrol model (for £25k or so) and run that into the ground, until we know which way we are going with electric cars and more facilities are available for plugging in and the range also increases on these cars and the MPG 2x; 3x or more!?
My immaculate 10year old L322 Range Rover TDV8 is just as comfortable and good looking (in my eyes) and can do the same MPG as this, doesnt have to find a charger and worth a fraction of this price (to buy) and im not using more of the worlds resources as still using what was made 10 years ago.
A car made for people who have too much money but also want us to know they are doing the bit for the environment, despite flying off on numerous holidays overseas every year, with all their kids..
The L322 is a fantastic machine and that interior is one of the best things Land Rover have ever done...However, Land Rover put it all together and for that you still have to be weary.
I personally quite like the look of this X5 and as a Land Rover fan I wish they were producing Hybrids like this.
It's also vehicles like this that make me think that Aston really have missed the mark. I'm guessing they couldn't afford to make it a Hybrid...which is fair enough.
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