Best example of car control you've ever seen

[Zarco]

RazerSauber said:

Never forget this Legend who saved his daughters life in the face of certain peril

https://youtu.be/YDNYXnvgbTY?t=1197

This is more like it:

https://youtu.be/y4_3LNvglLA

[snoopy25]

Well he's lucky he didnt crash it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW4xJ6SMeH8

[MB140]

Pretty much anything with Ari Vatinan, Walter Rohal (excuse the spelling).

The Porsche 911 (yellow bird) round Nurburgring is also pretty spectacular.

[donkmeister]

RazerSauber said:

Never forget this Legend who saved his daughters life in the face of certain peril

https://youtu.be/YDNYXnvgbTY?t=1197

Sitting at 60mph in the middle lane when not overtaking, and then deciding to put his family's life in danger by parking up in L3... What a plonker!

[Digby]

Langers89 said:

There’s lots of them out there but in recent years this one comes to mind immediately...

https://youtu.be/wQCeQKQ7_vI

Quite brilliant. He's opposite locking before it has truly been lost and is dead straight again during the slide so as not to overcorrect when some grip comes back. Quite an achievement in something that probably 'snaps' round like a kart! Perhaps the damp conditions actually helped!

[donkmeister]

Slow said:

donkmeister said:

Slow said:

Only a game but I think a 4:00 minute Nurburgring is insane when you see the speed corners come at him.

Worth a mention amongst all the great drivers.

https://youtu.be/nX7I4FiwD-A

This lap is much faster but without the wheel/pedals it would be much easier on a controller.

https://youtu.be/e-PpctJ70XY


Edit: This clip is forever embedded in my head

https://youtu.be/NFPgG45lEDE

Edited by Slow on Saturday 14th December 01:57

Edited by Slow on Saturday 14th December 02:01

My ability in the 100m sprint should be considered alongside Usain Bolt because I can waggle the joystick on Daley Thompson's Decathlon better than my friends.

If you ever try race on a sim it’s much harder than “wiggling” a stick. The guy went from sim racing on YouTube to racing a real car and racing karts. Lando Norris and max verstappen have both raced online with this guy and also race online a lot. They have both taken part in a 24h race too.

Lando Norris even streams himself online live racing people when he’s not out being an actual f1 driver.
<SNIP>

Yes, but the thing with playing a game is that there is no danger, and you can have as many goes as you like. The thing about doing it for real is that you are always trying to make sure that your actions don't get you injured or killed, and even a minor off can break the car so you're not going to try anything too mad.
Additionally, I think he said in real-life the car would be pulling 6gs in the turns, laterally. A human head weighs about 5kg, so in effect your neck is now having to counter having 30kg hung off it, sideways. That's the weight of a 10 year old child. Fighter pilots pull higher g's but they're mostly acting downwards so much easier to deal with, and they're wearing g-suits to aid the circulation.

Real racing drivers obviously will have a go on games either for fun or for training, but I doubt Lewis Hamilton is going to say "Well yes, I might hold the official lap record for Silverstone, but on PC I can do it 10 seconds faster!"

[Slow]

donkmeister said:

Slow said:

donkmeister said:

Slow said:

Only a game but I think a 4:00 minute Nurburgring is insane when you see the speed corners come at him.

Worth a mention amongst all the great drivers.

https://youtu.be/nX7I4FiwD-A

This lap is much faster but without the wheel/pedals it would be much easier on a controller.

https://youtu.be/e-PpctJ70XY


Edit: This clip is forever embedded in my head

https://youtu.be/NFPgG45lEDE

Edited by Slow on Saturday 14th December 01:57

Edited by Slow on Saturday 14th December 02:01

My ability in the 100m sprint should be considered alongside Usain Bolt because I can waggle the joystick on Daley Thompson's Decathlon better than my friends.

If you ever try race on a sim it’s much harder than “wiggling” a stick. The guy went from sim racing on YouTube to racing a real car and racing karts. Lando Norris and max verstappen have both raced online with this guy and also race online a lot. They have both taken part in a 24h race too.

Lando Norris even streams himself online live racing people when he’s not out being an actual f1 driver.
<SNIP>

Yes, but the thing with playing a game is that there is no danger, and you can have as many goes as you like. The thing about doing it for real is that you are always trying to make sure that your actions don't get you injured or killed, and even a minor off can break the car so you're not going to try anything too mad.
Additionally, I think he said in real-life the car would be pulling 6gs in the turns, laterally. A human head weighs about 5kg, so in effect your neck is now having to counter having 30kg hung off it, sideways. That's the weight of a 10 year old child. Fighter pilots pull higher g's but they're mostly acting downwards so much easier to deal with, and they're wearing g-suits to aid the circulation.

Real racing drivers obviously will have a go on games either for fun or for training, but I doubt Lewis Hamilton is going to say "Well yes, I might hold the official lap record for Silverstone, but on PC I can do it 10 seconds faster!"

Of course it isnt the same, but speed at which your brain has to process corners is insane. To me it is incredible car control as I know despite how many times to tried to do it I would be dead within 30 seconds.

I have started to race online myself and even lowly mx5's give me trouble which has made me realise its not as easy as it looks and given me more respect for it.

Few people are even going from games to getting to actually race now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jann_Mardenborough


And if you remotely care, clip of me getting a win in rookie div, done using a wheel pedals/first person camera/no abs/tc etc.

https://youtu.be/srqY1P-0SUw

[Gad-Westy]

donkmeister said:

RazerSauber said:

Never forget this Legend who saved his daughters life in the face of certain peril

https://youtu.be/YDNYXnvgbTY?t=1197

Sitting at 60mph in the middle lane when not overtaking, and then deciding to put his family's life in danger by parking up in L3... What a plonker!

I enjoyed the commentary about him passing his advanced driving exams laid over the top of a clip of him reversing over a grass verge.

[Some Gump]

shouldbworking said:

Not sure about best control, but undoubtedly the best balls to the wall fearless I've ever seen.

1988, before pikes peak got tarmac and safety barriers



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEuZG37gFdM

I came to this thread to post this...

[98elise]

Walter Rohrl...back in a time when health and safey didn't exist.

https://youtu.be/wqREtbLe4sY

Edited by 98elise on Saturday 14th December 21:16

[Grrbang]

GT6 Jonsey said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSMCfPASImQ

Yes to that.

The yellowbird is a crazy, barely controllable rocket with chocolate brakes.

There is hardly a corner where the steering wheel is pointing the same way as the car

[LaurasOtherHalf]

donkmeister said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Zarco said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Driver error in hitting the paint, jump on brakes, hope and then let off brakes when trundling straight. I'm a massive MV fan but that shows zero skill.

Yeah, anyone could do that

If they couldn't I'd be surprised. Watch the video again, he loses it and locks up all for wheels and by the grace of god ends up, with zero input from himself (other than the initial opposite lock a few seconds ago) pointing in the right direction at a snails pace and thus lets off the brakes and carries on.

As I said, massive MV fan but that had nothing to do with skill-he simply spun in a straight line and got lucky.

Just in case there's a mismatch in what links we're all clicking on... are you watching the video where someone is driving an F1 car in the pissing rain, skids perpendicular to the track, tries to steer in but realises that doesn't work, so (whilst skidding sideways at probably 100-150mph) then makes a conscious decision of "I will wind off the lock to the correct angle to await grip", awaits the moment that he has grip, steers back into the skid, applies power and then moves away? I.e. puts in active decision making and conscious effort to fix the situation where we humble PHers and Mumsnetters shriek like a little girl, hopefully get lucky and then post a thread about how we skidded but held it like a pro because we are driving gods and definitely weren't helped by the ESP that we may or may not always switch off because a diesel 3-series should be driven unleashed.

Or did you see a video where someone gives zero input.

Disclaimer: Never been a Max Verstappen fan... I couldn't tell you anything about what he's done apart from being an F1 driver who is apparently good at recovering from wet weather bks.

You’ve illustrated my point perfectly. He displayed impeccable driving under stress conditions, perfect forward planning and a total lack of panic but that has nothing to do with car control.

For almost the entirety of the clip he simply want in control of the car at all.

[RSTurboPaul]

Not a car, and it's a phone recording of the TV, lol, but I still think this is a pretty impressive save:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lntEKwHmrbs

[Don Roque]

Gad-Westy said:

donkmeister said:

RazerSauber said:

Never forget this Legend who saved his daughters life in the face of certain peril

https://youtu.be/YDNYXnvgbTY?t=1197

Sitting at 60mph in the middle lane when not overtaking, and then deciding to put his family's life in danger by parking up in L3... What a plonker!

I enjoyed the commentary about him passing his advanced driving exams laid over the top of a clip of him reversing over a grass verge.

I was particularly taken with his masterful display of technique in braking when he sees a hazard. Notwithstanding that his effort in lazily cruising in lane two put him closer to danger than he might otherwise have been if he had referred to his supposed training.

[TheJimi]

@ LOH

[m3jappa]

no where near as good as this master at the pedals!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ZmolZCnX8

[rallycross]

The Ruf yellow burd thing is amazing but it’s just showboating on an empty track and does not deserve mention here on this thread -its a bit like today’s drifting films they are staged/free style and non compeltive therefor less impressive - no one was trying to pass them - but yes it’s a great film ).

Rally drivers like Ari vatenan (see circuit of Ireland manta oh god clip) C McRae see metro 6r4 course car clip in Ireland or G Galli Evo - hairpin clip these drives display the most extraordinary skill. As for sim nonsense wtf has it got to do with this thread - utter bks.

[donkmeister]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

donkmeister said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Zarco said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Driver error in hitting the paint, jump on brakes, hope and then let off brakes when trundling straight. I'm a massive MV fan but that shows zero skill.

Yeah, anyone could do that

If they couldn't I'd be surprised. Watch the video again, he loses it and locks up all for wheels and by the grace of god ends up, with zero input from himself (other than the initial opposite lock a few seconds ago) pointing in the right direction at a snails pace and thus lets off the brakes and carries on.

As I said, massive MV fan but that had nothing to do with skill-he simply spun in a straight line and got lucky.

Just in case there's a mismatch in what links we're all clicking on... are you watching the video where someone is driving an F1 car in the pissing rain, skids perpendicular to the track, tries to steer in but realises that doesn't work, so (whilst skidding sideways at probably 100-150mph) then makes a conscious decision of "I will wind off the lock to the correct angle to await grip", awaits the moment that he has grip, steers back into the skid, applies power and then moves away? I.e. puts in active decision making and conscious effort to fix the situation where we humble PHers and Mumsnetters shriek like a little girl, hopefully get lucky and then post a thread about how we skidded but held it like a pro because we are driving gods and definitely weren't helped by the ESP that we may or may not always switch off because a diesel 3-series should be driven unleashed.

Or did you see a video where someone gives zero input.

Disclaimer: Never been a Max Verstappen fan... I couldn't tell you anything about what he's done apart from being an F1 driver who is apparently good at recovering from wet weather bks.

You’ve illustrated my point perfectly. He displayed impeccable driving under stress conditions, perfect forward planning and a total lack of panic but that has nothing to do with car control.

For almost the entirety of the clip he simply want in control of the car at all.

A very fair point! I was looking more at how he dealt with it once it all went pear-shaped, but you're considering it from the view of not getting it pear-shaped in the first place. I think if we were watching a video of someone driving on the public road doing the same I'd be shouting "YOU KNOB!" at the screen and have the same viewpoint as you from a car control point of view, but being F1 I'd argue they should be on the edge or they're not really doing their job.

[Mr Tidy]

Sadly no video clip, but many years ago a good mate of mine used to book track days through Club89 and they always had a few BTCC drivers doing fast laps, and offering instruction.

Anyway at Silverstone Jan Lammers was there with a standard Volvo 850 T5 so 4 of us piled in for a few quick laps, then he said here is a qualifying lap - that was proper car control!

[jaisharma]

MKnight702 said:

Amateurs.

Kenny making Adrian Newey nervous

I would agree this is my favourite